Different outside mirrors

by **Christer** » 04 Oct 2004 18:37

I have been trying to collect some information and pic´s of outside mirrors. I thought I would show my findings. I can´t guarantee that everything is right but I am sure that some of you gladly will correct me then

. (The pic´s are "stolen" from ebay.)

by **Christer** » 04 Oct 2004 18:39

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by **dave-r** » 04 Oct 2004 20:23

You have eyes like a hawk Christer! I can't tell some of those apart.

by **Christer** » 05 Oct 2004 20:43

dave-r wrote:You have eyes like a hawk Christer! I can't tell some of those apart.

That´s a relief. People use to say that I am deaf, dumb and blind :lol:

Thought it would be a good idea to start collecting pic´s of various mirrrors since many of us, including me, seems to have problems to see the difference between them.

From the beginning, my idea was to buy a cheap ´73-´74 b-body mirror (passenger side) and swap the base for a ´70 version. I have now realized that it isn´t possible to do so. The ´70 base and housing are connected with only one screw, compared to the b-body mirror where there are two screws. It feels like my best choise now, is to use the b-body mirror just like it is. The disadvantage is that I have to drill one extra hole in the door (The third hole is beeing coverd by the mirrors base). Any suggestions out there?

The background to all this is of course money, or more correctly lack of money. I got the b-body mirror for less than than $100 and the cromed ´70 e-body version would cost me more than $300! The funny thing is that it is quite hard to spot any difference between them, unless you look really carefully. :roll:

Well that is how I am thinking......

by **dave-r** » 05 Oct 2004 20:54

I agree with your thinking Christer. If you can afford to do it perfect then sure you should but if money is harder to come by it is silly spending more than you need on details that will never be noticed except by a concourse show judge.

I have a 1970 drivers mirror and a later passenger mirror. How many people have noticed the wrong passenger mirror in the 15 years I have had the car?

ONE

I didn't even notice myself until I bought a gasket for it and realised it didn't fit! :oops:

by **Christer** » 06 Oct 2004 5:36

by **Charlie Backes** » 07 Jan 2005 4:10

Thank you for the great presentation on mirrors. I did not realize that there were so many styles for the e-body. Here is a question for you or anyone else who may know.......
The factory mirrors get fastened to the doors by riv-nuts. Year one sells the riv-nut but you need a special tool to install them. The good tool is very expensive so what do you use if you only need to replace one or two riv-nuts? Curious me!

by **dave-r** » 07 Jan 2005 8:36

I thought they installed with a regular pop rivit tool? Maybe I was wrong?

by **JackT** » 08 Jan 2005 0:02

Nope, it's a special tool that resembles a pop rivit tool and works almost the same as a pop rivit tool. The owner of the one I borrowed bought it solely for installing E-body mirror nuts.

by **cv70chall** » 31 May 2007 13:03

I recently located a passenger side mirror and shipped it to my body guy who mounted it andc noticed that it did not match the driver's side- although the bases were the 1970 short bases.
This is forcing me to have to buy a complete set, so I'm on the lookout.
The car's bumpers are currently painted and will be until I can afford to get them chromed- so I'm going chrome on the mirrors.

If anyone knows of a set reasonably priced- I'm ALL ears!

Thanks

by **christer** » 14 Dec 2008 9:56

b-body 73-74 manual mirror

by **Alaskan_TA** » 14 Dec 2008 16:35

Rivnut installation article here;

http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/mirrors.shtml

1970 E-body standard mirror;

by **christer** » 14 Dec 2008 17:12

71-74 e-body standard mirror (and some b-bodies for sure...)

by **cv70chall** » 21 Apr 2009 14:20

Thanks for the in-depth mirror lesson!
So, am I to understand that the 70's outside mirrors ARE different?
The passenger mirror has more of an oval/ teardrop shape than the driver's side, which is more rounded, right?
I want to make sure I've got the right parts on the car, ya know!

Thanks, Christer-

Chuck

by **Alaskan_TA** » 21 Apr 2009 23:38

Yes, they are different. Look at the third photo down from the top of this thread.

by **Goldenblack440** » 22 Apr 2009 2:46

dave-r wrote:I agree with your thinking Christer. If you can afford to do it perfect then sure you should but if money is harder to come by it is silly spending more than you need on details that will never be noticed except by a concourse show judge.

I have a 1970 drivers mirror and a later passenger mirror. How many people have noticed the wrong passenger mirror in the 15 years I have had the car?

ONE

I didn't even notice myself until I bought a gasket for it and realised it didn't fit!

by **Goldenblack440** » 22 Apr 2009 2:47

dave-r wrote:I agree with your thinking Christer. If you can afford to do it perfect then sure you should but if money is harder to come by it is silly spending more than you need on details that will never be noticed except by a concourse show judge.

I have a 1970 drivers mirror and a later passenger mirror. How many people have noticed the wrong passenger mirror in the 15 years I have had the car?

ONE

I didn't even notice myself until I bought a gasket for it and realised it didn't fit!

I totally agree! iTs not noticeable in the broad picture

There are three e body 71-74 that i have seen - all the holes are in different places! I suppose someone in the gasket making department at Chrysler must have realised so made a universal fit mirror seal with holes everywhere!

by **Russ** » 18 Dec 2010 9:47

Sorry to bring this back to the top folks, but I have a question.

I realise there is a size difference between the driver & passenger side mirror housings on a '70 Challenger, but is there also a difference in the size of the base? Not the actual base that sits against the door, but the "stalk" - from the base to the mirror housing - is it longer on the Drivers side (making the mirror housing stick out further)?

I only have a drivers side on mine, but was also given repro's for both sides - but they both have short bases, whilst the one on the car has a long base, so I'm assuming the repro's I have are actually for '71-'74 E-Bodies.

The first 2 images do indicate that 1 base is longer - but I'd like to get a confirmation from someone more knowledgeable than myself!

I'll get some images on Monday to clear it up a little.

Cheers!

by **christer** » 18 Dec 2010 20:42

Russ wrote:Sorry to bring this back to the top folks, but I have a question.

Absolutely no need to feel sorry. We love it when people wants to discuss Mopars, don't we?

Russ wrote:I realise there is a size difference between the driver & passenger side mirror housings on a '70 Challenger, but is there also a difference in the size of the base? Not the actual base that sits against the door, but the "stalk" - from the base to the mirror housing - is it longer on the Drivers side (making the mirror housing stick out further)?

I am quite sure that they are "mirrored" (symmetrical). I have not noticed any difference between them. I hope I have understood you right.

by **christer** » 18 Dec 2010 20:50

Russ wrote:The first 2 images do indicate that 1 base is longer - but I'd like to get a confirmation from someone more knowledgeable than myself!

I have added hole distances below the pic's. Maybe they will give some useful information?

by **Russ** » 18 Dec 2010 22:18

christer wrote:
Russ wrote:Sorry to bring this back to the top folks, but I have a question.

Absolutely no need to feel sorry. We love it when people wants to discuss Mopars, don't we?

Russ wrote:I realise there is a size difference between the driver & passenger side mirror housings on a '70 Challenger, but is there also a difference in the size of the base? Not the actual base that sits against the door, but the "stalk" - from the base to the mirror housing - is it longer on the Drivers side (making the mirror housing stick out further)?

I am quite sure that they are "mirrored" (symmetrical). I have not noticed any difference between them. I hope I have understood you right.

Cheers ... to make it easier, I've edited one of the images you posted to indicate the area I'm talking about (the red line):

The reproduction mirrors I have a shorter than the one I have on the car.

In the 2nd image you posted above, of the '71-'74 mirror, it looks like 1 is taller than the other (the drivers side with the remote wiring), but it's hard to be certain. Might just be the distance/camera angle playing tricks.

by **christer** » 19 Dec 2010 12:35

I will take a look on Tuesday when I am in my garage.

by **Russ** » 20 Dec 2010 5:36

Here they are.

The bigger one on the right is the only one I can find in that size. All passenger mirrors - regardless of what year/body they say they are for - are all the same size as the one on the left (the base is both shorter & narrower).

by **Russ** » 20 Dec 2010 6:33

OK, I've figured it out.

Looking over at B/E&A Resto parts mirrors page - it appears the drivers mirror I have on the car is from a '73-'74 B-Body.

Awesome! Now I know what version to by for the driver side to match.

by **christer** » 20 Dec 2010 15:59

Russ wrote:OK, I've figured it out.

Looking over at B/E&A Resto parts mirrors page - it appears the drivers mirror I have on the car is from a '73-'74 B-Body.

Awesome! Now I know what version to by for the driver side to match.

Mystery solved!

An early christmas gift? :s025:

by **Adrian Worman** » 09 Jan 2011 17:26

Can somebody show me a pic or a photo of where the remote mirror control goes in the door panel please. Got a really nice remote mirror for my '72 and I want to install it into my non- remote door :idea:

by **dave-r** » 09 Jan 2011 21:34

Here you are mate. The cables run through a bracket inside the door to keep them out of the way of the glass.

71-74 e-body mirrors

´73-´74 b-body

´76-´80 f-body

Miscellaneous

´70 a-body

Mirror mirror

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