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CHANGES TO THE 2007 MOPAREURONATIONALS

Hi folks, yes there are some changes to this year’s EuroNationals they are these: -

There will be NO FRIDAY NIGHT ORGANISED CRUISE. Owing to the behaviour of some club members and alike we have been told in NO UNCERTAIN TERMS NOT to frequent the Pub, The Priory this year. Our advice is “ just don’t go there”.

The Awards Ceremony for all the classified trophies will this year be split in two. The trophies for the NON RACE categories etc, will be awarded on Sunday afternoon. We expect this to happen probably after the Burn out Contest and before the Jet Car gets going. We have moved these, for two reasons. One to not have folks hanging around till 5 pm and two to get the awards presented in front of packed grandstands. The RACECAR AWARDS will take place at the Start Line as per usual at 5pm.

To race in the KOS, Ultimate KOS, SAMS, Race categories there will be NO NEED to Pre-enter, however, you can if you wish. Forms will need to be completed but these can be done at the show. The Burn Out Contest will also require a form to be completed. All forms can be obtained at the Merchandising Tent at the show. Once a form is completed you will be given a RACE NUMBER, you must have a number to race. This should be shown in the back window of your car. The same for the Burn out contest.

Should any folks wish to match race or grudge race at the show, such as Taz v Surrey Muscle etc, then they should be prepared to put up a Race Director, this person should liase with the Tower, and Tim Holmes, again a number will be required. Any MMA club members wishing to organise “ races” etc should go through the clubs very own Race Director, who will be responsible for organising, keeping the tower informed, collating times etc for the MMA. This info will then be passed onto Tim Holmes.

The show has grown to the point where we must have a more structured approach to the race categories, so that everyone is aware of whats going on, please help with the above requests.

For More info call, Tim 07901683388 , Richard 07759498651, Tony 01730 268375, Jim 02392 464928

For Pre enter race forms, write to Tim Holmes, 106, Berners Road, Sheffield, S.Yorks, S2 2 BD.

Too bad they did away with the Fri night "festivities" Dave, I'm sure the liquid courage had something to do with it. At Indianapolis, Indiana where the MoPar Nationals was once located or shown, they were told NOT to come back. The Police quoted as saying those MoPar People are as fanatical as the Harley Bikers, and simply didnt want their business. The MoPar Nats will never return to INDY. Cant say I blame them. Whomever attends please include lots of PICS!!!We love pics!!!

A lot of the guys were being stupid. Doing burnouts outside the pub.

That was bad enough but this two lane road had fast traffic on it approaching a "roundabout" junction just 100 yards further on.

Some of the cars were getting out of shape and crossing into the oncoming traffic lane. Others were making so much tyre smoke the traffic could not see for 100 yards and women with children were having to overtake into oncoming traffic totally blind.

The smoke was so bad last year that the fire brigade was called by a member of the public. The firemen were not to happy about that!

You dudes get pretty rowdy ehh Dave! Yeah thats plain stupid when the public is "involved". No need to scare people just trying to get somewhere. At INDY the MoPar fans got a "little" wild as well, alcohol was of course the "juice" of choice and the fans were a little rowdy to begin with. A volatile combo.

At least they are not stupid enough to drink and drive over here. Most of these guys were not even going into the Pub.

Myself I always made good use of the food menu and soft drinks. The food was great. A good start to the weekend where I would be living on food cooked on a little camping stove for the next couple of days.
It is a shame I will no longer be welcome because of guys with the mental age of 9 years showing off they ability to spin their rear wheels.

We all like a little tyre spin and growl of rubber as the wheels fight to get traction. But full blown static line-lock burnouts in the middle of a busy road is going WAY too far. Two chargers even did burnouts at the same time in the road while facing each other!

I have to say though, that as a whole, the weekend is not "rowdie" at all. It is safe for families and the like. But you have to think about where you pitch your tent. Or stay in a hotel. The partys go on until 3 or 4 am sometimes and if you are camped next to one you are not going to get a lot of sleep.

Sounds like a lot of fun Dave, BTW, I'm getting a little too old for such antics. Plus over here, the police will make your life miserable if they catch you with any alcohol in your vehicle, let alone drunk behind the wheel. In the old days we would drink a few beers and chance it. Today it's pretty stupid really. I dont even drink anymore,(11 yrs), I just dont enjoy the "buzz" like I did when I was young and insane. If I do drink it's German White wine. I am going to attempt to make it at the MoPar nats this year,(Columbus Ohio, aug 17), but I wont go if I have to go alone. My neighbor has a car trailer,(open), and we could trailer my Challenger to it. Then I could cruise Brice Road with all the other 5000 MoPars at 15 mph surrounded by MoPar fanatics!

Dave,

Can you tell me a bit more about entering the race part? Are there all kind of classes/indexes or is it more like a rwyb?

If there are classes, what should we fit in?
My buddy runs high 8's in his 3600lbs '70 roadrunner
And me, well hoping on very low 10's.

Pre entry or just come along and enter?

Just some questions...
thanks!

Officially it is a RWYB weekend for any type of car or race car.

If it is a street car just turn up. No need to pre-enter.

However we do take a note of the times of the cars if entered in one of our "classes" and see who went the fastest over the weekend.

Your cars will probably fit into King Of Street (KOS) or Ultimate KOS depending on how modified yours cars are and as long as they can be proved to be street legal.
You will need to show your drivers licences as well so don't forget to bring them.

I used to run my Challenger in "Original KOS" which is for basically stock cars with iron heads and normal induction (no NOS). We also have a "Stock Appearing" class (SAMS) for restored looking cars.

KOS I think is ally heads, superchargers, NOS etc. Ultimate KOS I think is tube frames and the like.

I will find out exactly what the rules are for you.

My buddys one... stock but improved chassis, stcok firewall, floors etc., minitubbed etc. only a fiber hood and lately fenders. Also n/a hemi

And mine, well just a stock chassis, minitubbed challenger with a n/a Hemi.

Here are the rules copied from a poster for another event. I was wrong about a few things (of course).

If you can't make out the print the original is HERE

Mine could only fit in the Ultimate KOS then due the minitub and my buddy wouldn't fit any as his wipers don't work and some small stuff like that.

But we could rwyb then, no problem!

See you there Dave! My buddys will arrive at friday morning, me and the wife will arrive saterday morning. Weall stay over till monday and leave in the afternoon to catch the boat.

Tell him to fit wipers. No one will test the car to see what works.

You will miss my singing on Friday night!

Or is that deliberate?

Hmmm. now I'm thinking about it...that just might be the reason I come over at saterday morning

No, wish I could get there friday but the wife's gotta work and get a day off at work.

Dave, you know if there's electricity or we have to take our generator along?

No power. Your fellow Dutchmen (i think that is who it is) usually wake us all up at 7am with their noisy generator.

I will crack and kill that bloody generator one day.

Well, my buds who I'm coming over with have never attend the nats before so we're not the ones who kept you awake. But we might do it too...

While...having fun and drinking to much (not the drivers) till 5am...warming up the 1150hp Hemi and 950hp B1 of my buddys in the morning...and so on... No, kidding, were not that bad

Anyway, we will take the generator along. Otherwise the freezer, cooler, and beertap won't work...

I might have to inspect that beer tap to make sure that it and its contents meet or exceed UK standards.

Here are a couple of videos of the antics outside the pub.

This was the year after I last ran my car. You will see a couple of silly people in these clips but this is NOTHING compared to last year when it all got VERY out of hand.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObKspj9TF5U

and part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaWEHXgysCo

At about 3 minutes, on the first video, what is the green car?

Deep Purple Machine Head "Highway Star" how cool is that! I remember driving my RoadRunner in the 70's listening to that song! You guys are nuts! I love it! You are right Dave. I could see that getting outta hand! The Willys? gasser burnout got a smile from the cameraman and me too, bouncing along that curb!!

David wrote:At about 3 minutes, on the first video, what is the green car?

The minty green car?

That is an Austrailian Chrysler Valiant Charger 770. About '71 vintage buy the look of the headlights. Based on the A-body frame.

I used to have one myself as they were imported to the UK as a cheap rival to the Jensen Interceptor. All the UK ones were 318 powered.

The really hot version was the "Hemi Six Pack".

Now don't get too excited as the Oz hemi was actually a straight six (not the slant six you got in the USA) but it could be had with three 2bbl side draft Weber carbs. It turned the car into a 145mph screamer.

airfuelEddie wrote:The Willys? gasser burnout got a smile from the cameraman and me too, bouncing along that curb!!

I was standing somewhere the other side of it when it hit the curb.

All this was nothing compared to last year. They were pairing up on the road and the traffic was a lot heavier.

dave-r wrote:

airfuelEddie wrote:The Willys? gasser burnout got a smile from the cameraman and me too, bouncing along that curb!!

I was standing somewhere the other side of it when it hit the curb.

All this was nothing compared to last year. They were pairing up on the road and the traffic was a lot heavier.

You mean those other really small cars where "civilians" just trying to commute home to work ect..? That is pretty crazy. There was a "Pro-Mod" accident here in the states the other day at a show for kids, a driver lost control of his 2k H.P. machine and it lost control and plowed into the crowd killing four adults instantly. I cant imagine it getting any crazier than what I saw. And if it did, it's just plain unsafe. You wouldnt have a vid of last year would you?

gday dave the hemi six was available in the uk you guys got the only r/t with an auto that was made you didnt get any six packs but you did get a few 2bbl r/t s the e49 six pack could run 14.1 1/4 mine straight from factory which was pretty cool in 1971 for a six
cheers ian

airfuelEddie wrote: You mean those other really small cars where "civilians" just trying to commute home to work ect..?

The only big supermarket in that town is just along the road. So you get a lot of moms with kids going down there.

There was a "Pro-Mod" accident here in the states the other day at a show for kids,

Yeah we saw that camera footage on the Internet.

Unprepped road.
People stupid enough to stand alongside.
Organisers with no brains
Experienced driver that should have seen the dangers

What the hell did they expect to happen?

Thought that was pretty sick of the camera person to film the dead and injured on the road too. So no sense of decency as well as no brains.

I didnt see the video. Horrible tragedy, 4 Adults killed and scores of children who will probably be affected for the remainder of their lives. I too dont know what the "deal" was but I could never even imagine firing something like that up around an unsecured area.

ianandjess wrote:gday dave the hemi six was available in the uk you guys got the only r/t with an auto that was made you didnt get any six packs but you did get a few 2bbl r/t s the e49 six pack could run 14.1 1/4 mine straight from factory which was pretty cool in 1971 for a six
cheers ian

Ian, I love the shape of those cars. Would they beat a factory Holden V-8? Or the other GM or Ford car? The first Mad Max had a blown V-8 car in it. I always thought that was a MoPar but found out it wasnt. The Aussie Valiants rocked for a six!!

3 mins into video - Green car - Australian built Chrysler 770 ' Charger ' . Dave will be able to tell you all about them , he used to have one .
6 mins 30 into video - Green car - I'm taking the 5th !!!!!

[quote="airfuelEddieThe first Mad Max had a blown V-8 car in it. I always thought that was a MoPar but found out it wasnt. [/quote]

No. The Max car was a Ford Falcon XB.

They only built about 9500 XB hardtops in total.

This is a quote from my (brutally honest) Scottish friend that owns one.

The XA/XB GT's has 351 Clevelands. Nominally the hp was 300, but it was probably less. The later XC's, like the Cobra, either came with 302C or 351C engine. These are late seventies cars (1978) hp was, I think, about 168 for the 351 and 148 for the 302, but that, as they say, is net hp, not gross.

They can be made pretty powerful. 300 to 350 rwhp is relatively easily attainable. The Australian's are refreshingly honest about their cars out puts and like quoting rwhp.
250-300hp seems like the standard medium build, 300-350hp is a bit more hardcore.

As Australia hung in with the Cleveland long after the Yanks went back to the Windsor, there are lots of good, honest tuning parts available. The later GT's (XA-XB) were more Grand Tourer cars as befits the GT name. The earlier XW/XY GT four doors were the real musclecars, more raw, and less soft, and by extension, a bit more lairy.

Bear in mind, you could also get four door XA and XB GT's (they are cheaper) and all XB GT's and XC Cobra's had four wheel disk brakes, so they handled and stopped much better than most cars of their day, with the possible exception of late seventies WS6 equipped Pontiac TransAms which were in a league of their own.

Dave,

if i'm in London that weekend, is a way of go to Santa Pod in public transportation: bus, train...?
is a much long distance from London?

thanks