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From: twatsonii@aol.com (Twatsonii)
Subject: dos4.0and286 boot disc
I need a bootable disc for dos 4.0 and a 286 computer. My system crashed and I
don't have a working boot disc. I have windows 95 on another comp but a boot
disc from this comp does not work in my floppy drive.
From: dtales@spamthis.richmond.infi.net (Entil-zha)
Subject: Re: dos4.0and286 boot disc
On 10 Apr 1998 02:51:45 GMT, twatsonii@aol.com (Twatsonii) wrote:
>I need a bootable disc for dos 4.0 and a 286 computer. My system crashed and I
>don't have a working boot disc. I have windows 95 on another comp but a boot
>disc from this comp does not work in my floppy drive.
Sorry that I can't help you with your problem, but you ought to know
that MS-DOS 3.2 and MS-DOS 4.0 are the worst versions of DOS you could
possibly be using. Of all of the various versions of MS-DOS, version
4.0 is arguably THE worst. It's time for an upgrade! I know this
doesn't help you at the moment, but it's something to keep in mind
once you get back up and running.
From: "gli" <gli@nordnet.fr>
Subject: 'SkyScan' (very)Old Hand-held Scanner from SkyWorld Technology (1989)
I'm looking for drivers or soft for 'SkyScan' (very)Old Hand-held Scanner
from SkyWorld Technology (1989)
Thanks
gli@nordnet.fr
From: Zoran Bujakovic <bzoran@bn.rstel.net>
Subject: Re: dos4.0and286 boot disc
Reply-To: bzoran@bn.rstel.net
To: Twatsonii <twatsonii@aol.com>
Twatsonii wrote:
>
> I need a bootable disc for dos 4.0 and a 286 computer. My system crashed and I
> don't have a working boot disc. I have windows 95 on another comp but a boot
> disc from this comp does not work in my floppy drive.
I could help you with Dos 5.0 if you need it .
From: keith@infomediate.com (Keith Vetter)
Subject: Re: question about the dir command
I tried the suggestion below and created an alias called XDIR.
XDIR works well for commands like 'XDIR *.cpp' but fails badly
for 'XDIR foo.cpp'. It "finds" foo.cpp in each directory and tries
to perform the 'do' part which fails because the file doesn't
exist there.
The problem, I guess, is that FOR is really just an iteration
command that in one format can do wildcard matching.
Keith
>If the numerous DIR options still don't generate thw exact display
>format you want, you can always create your own "custom" command (alais
>or batch file), such as (on one line):
>
> MYDIR=*for /r %i in (%&) echo %@filedate["%i"]
>%@filetime["%i"] %@format[10,%@comma[%@filesize["%i"]]]
>%@full["%i"]
>(assuming "&" is your ParameterChar) or something similar. As usual,
>you can make it as simple or as complex as you need/want.
>
>Keith Vetter wrote:
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> Is there a way to combine the normal full directory information
>> of date, time, size with full path name?
>>...
>
>> Specifically, when I do a recursive directory (dir /s), what I
>> want, barring headers and footers, is one-line per result including
>> its date, time and size.
>>
>> For example,
>>
>> dir /xxx /s *.cpp
>> 12-06-97 11:38a 5,554 src1/file1.cpp
>> 2-16-98 4:53p 89,130 src1/file2.cpp
>> 9-22-97 5:11p 1,113 src2/file2.cpp
>> 4-06-98 1:32p 6,218 src2/file1.cpp
>>
>> (under Unix I can get this with 'find . -name *.cpp -ls')
>>
Keith P. Vetter e-mail: keithv@infomediate.com
Subject: Re: question about the dir command
Depending on your specific needs, you could use GLOBAL, add a "IF
EXIST..." in the loop, etc.
Keith Vetter wrote:
>
> I tried the suggestion below and created an alias called XDIR.
> XDIR works well for commands like 'XDIR *.cpp' but fails badly
> for 'XDIR foo.cpp'. It "finds" foo.cpp in each directory and tries
> to perform the 'do' part which fails because the file doesn't
> exist there.
>
> The problem, I guess, is that FOR is really just an iteration
> command that in one format can do wildcard matching.
>
_____________________________________________________________
Mike Bessy JP Software, Inc.
From: Harry Franken <H.Franken@nl.cis.philips.com>
Subject: Re: making a unix script in winnt4
To: Jan Rockstedt <janroc@medab.se>
Strange posting here, but.
There is a MKS toolkit commercially available, which contains a
korn-shell, and lots of other UNIX compatible utilities.
This toolkit is interesting if you've a lot of UNIX work to be done
on you're NT server.
Of course, on the internet there are small utilities for NT,
which supply more or less the normal UNIX stuff like grep, sed, awk
etc.
Harry
Jan Rockstedt wrote:
>
> Hi !
>
> Hi !
>
> We have a script in our unix server that we want to run i our winnt4
> server. Any sugestion for command ?
>
> Jan Rockstedt
>
> It look like this :
>
> #!/bin/csh -f
>
> #
> # shell script to delete the high-res associated with an EPSF Stub.
> # Both hi-res and lo-res files are deleted.
> # Created by BugBear Wed Nov 13 15:32:43 /et 1991
> # Modified by James Porter Mon Dec 16 11:03:27 /et 1991
> # Version 4.1 (spectraserver 2.1)
> #
> # Parameter list takes the form of
> # $1 - input path of graphic + filename ("%h")
> #
>
> set debug=0
> set low="$1"
> set victim="`grep '%%HYPHENInclude' '$1' | sed -e 's@%%HYPHENInclude:
> @@' -e 's@%%HYPHENIncludeMaster: @@'`"
> set victim="$victim"
>
> #
> # build paths for deletion of low-res
> #
> set lorsrc="$low:h/.rsrc/$low:t"
> set lofinfo="$low:h/.finfo/$low:t"
>
> #
> # build paths for deletion of hi-res
> #
> set hirsrc="$victim:h/.rsrc/$victim:t"
> set hifinfo="$victim:h/.finfo/$victim:t"
>
> #
> # echo for debug
> #
> if ( $debug != 0 ) then
> echo "$low"
> echo "$lorsrc"
> echo "$lofinfo"
> echo "$victim"
> echo "$hirsrc"
> echo "$hifinfo"
> endif
>
> #
> # lo-res deletion
> #
> /bin/rm -f "$lorsrc"
> /bin/rm -f "$lofinfo"
> /bin/rm -f "$low"
>
> #
> # hi-res deletion
> #
> /bin/rm -f "$hirsrc"
> /bin/rm -f "$hifinfo"
> /bin/rm -f "$victim"
From: Urban Domeij <urban.domeij@kingwall.se>
Subject: Re: Computer may hang when accessing floppy or cd-rom
There is a 4dos.ini file directive, DiskReset, that may have to be used
on some boxes with this problem. Did you try that?
Urban
Noa Nakai wrote:
> I am not sure if 4dos is the guilty one, but I have a reason to believe so.
> When I access floppy or cd-rom drive(s) from windows (explorer), there
> are no problems. But when I try to access (I type eg. A:) floppy or cd-rom
> from a 4dos-box, it may hang. If it hangs, I just reboot and hope it works
> the next time. Sometimes there's nothing wrong (like 40% of tries). I don't
> change anything, it just works or doesn't - randomly.
>
> I don't remember if this happened with earlier than v6.00 of 4dos, but
> I think it happened already on Win95. Now I've had Win98 (several
> versions) for a while. There should be nothing wrong with my floppy drive
> or cd-rom drivers in device manager.
>
> I'm using Octek Pentium 200MHz/32mb/4dos 6.01a. Please help if you
> have any idea what might be wrong! Oh yes, and sometimes it hangs
> even when loading 4dos up (I get the dos box, but the computer freezes
> before any text is displayed) - it happens totally randomly!
Subject: Debug window
From: Jochen.Schaar@1-2444-8005-1.josh.ruhr.de (Jochen Schaar)
It would be very helpful if the debug window could be repositioned on screen.
What do you think of one of the following solutions (in order of preference):
1: Toggle (hide/unhide) window with some function key.
2: Free repositioning using ctrl-cursor keys
3: Selective positioning with .INI directives
4: Fixed position in the upper right corner of the screen
Jochen
From: DrRob1@worldnet.att.net (Robert Solomon)
Subject: Strange keystack behavior
Hi. I am running 4dos6.01 (downloaded tonight). I was running
qemm7.53 and changed it to himem.sys and emm386.exe. While running
under qemm the keystack command worked fine from shelled processes
under W95a. Now the program receiving the keystack key exits in an
error. What am I missing?
Old lines in config.sys
=================
device=C:\QEMM\QEMM386.SYS RAM BE:N r:1 fr=none x=b000-b7ff
device=C:\QEMM\QEMM386.SYS RAM BE:N r:1 x=b000-b7ff
New lines in config.sys
==================
device=d:\windows\himem.sys
device=d:\windows\emm386.exe NOEMS
Old line in autoexec.bat
===================
c:\qemm\loadhi /r:1 I:\4dos\kstack
New line in autoexec.bat
====================
lh i:\4dos\kstack
also tried without the LH command and no difference
Thanks,
Rob
From: "Jens Pfeiffer" <jens@pluto.iam.uni-bonn.de>
Subject: Re: dos4.0and286 boot disc
Have a look at www.caldera.com. You will find DR-DOS there for free.
Download and create a set of disks. Install, and the you have DR-DOS 7.02.
Regards,
JP
Twatsonii schrieb in Nachricht
<1998041002514500.WAA13453@ladder03.news.aol.com>...
>I need a bootable disc for dos 4.0 and a 286 computer. My system crashed
and I
>don't have a working boot disc. I have windows 95 on another comp but a
boot
>disc from this comp does not work in my floppy drive.
From: "Emory Smith" <stratcat@bigriver.net>
Subject: 4DOS for NT
X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3
Where can I get info on it?
Thanks, Emory
From: pirillo@iscssun.uni.edu (Chris Pirillo)
Subject: LFN in DOS !
Well, I know many of us were screaming for it (and we figured that 4Dos
would support it)... PC Magazine has finally delivered LFN in DOS:
http://www.zdnet.com/pcmag/pctech/content/17/09/ut1709.001.html
Christopher J. Pirillo
From: blosser@remove.this.ix.netcom.com (Aaron Blosser)
Subject: Re: LFN in DOS !
Reply-To: blosser@remove.this.ix.netcom.com
On 14 Apr 1998 14:49:00 GMT, pirillo@iscssun.uni.edu (Chris Pirillo)
said:
>Well, I know many of us were screaming for it (and we figured that 4Dos
>would support it)... PC Magazine has finally delivered LFN in DOS:
>
>http://www.zdnet.com/pcmag/pctech/content/17/09/ut1709.001.html
>
>Christopher J. Pirillo
>http://www.lockergnome.com/
Eh...it doesn't look bad. LFNDir...does DIR only.
And it doesn't work with FAT32? Hmmm...not too useful for a lot of
people.
Still...better than a kick in the head. :-)
From: trawson@jpsoft.com (Tom Rawson)
Subject: Re: 4DOS for NT
Reply-To: trawson@jpsoft.com
"Emory Smith" <stratcat@bigriver.net> wrote:
>Where can I get info on it?
Tom Rawson trawson@jpsoft.com
Subject: Re: LFN in DOS !
Not quite. Program LFNDIR.EXE to which you refer is simply an external
that generates a display similar to that of the common DIR command of
command.com. It does not provide LFN access in general and can't even
handle legitimated FAT32 volumes used by Win95/Win98.
When you _do_ locate a driver or TSR that enables LFNs under DOS without
having to load the Windows layer (such as Caldera's LONGNAME.EXE which
can be readily adapted for use under other DOS versions besides OpenDOS
7.x), 4DOS won't have any trouble using those LFNS as long as you
remember to specifically enable the "Win95LFN=Yes" 4DOS.INI directive.
Chris Pirillo wrote:
>
> Well, I know many of us were screaming for it (and we figured that 4Dos
> would support it)... PC Magazine has finally delivered LFN in DOS:
>...
Mike Bessy JP Software, Inc.
From: "0doubt" <0doubt@fdt.net>
Subject: Re: LFN in DOS !
>When you _do_ locate a driver or TSR that enables LFNs under DOS without
>having to load the Windows layer (such as Caldera's LONGNAME.EXE which
>can be readily adapted for use under other DOS versions besides OpenDOS
>7.x)
Does Caldera's LONGNAME allow FAT32 true longname accesses?
>, 4DOS won't have any trouble using those LFNS as long as you
>remember to specifically enable the "Win95LFN=Yes" 4DOS.INI directive.
Cool.
0doubt
From: mac@encomix.es (Manuel Algora)
Subject: TAB-F9-Next-File suggested improvement
Reply-To: mac@encomix.es
A suggestion for 4/TC improvement
Either TAB or F9 allows for the NextFile to be entered at the command
line. We can configure 4/TC to add or not a \ to directories entered
this way.
But sometimes you may want the slash, sometimes not. Of course, you
are not going to re-configure each time, so you need to add/delete the
slash as required in the command line,
Wouldn't it be better (possible?) if TAB would make a NextFile with
slash, F9 a NextFile without slash (or the other way round)?
--
Manuel Algora
From: "0doubt" <0doubt@fdt.net>
Subject: Re: TAB-F9-Next-File suggested improvement
>Wouldn't it be better (possible?) if TAB would make a NextFile with
>slash, F9 a NextFile without slash (or the other way round)?
OOooo.. Yeah, even for 4dos that would be nice. Cause for dir, cd, etc. I
want the slash. for deltree, I dont.
ie...
deltree do[TAB]s\
delete dos\something\*.* ?
you get the idea.. try it..
0doubt
From: Roger A Krupski <krupski@acsu.buffalo.edu>
Subject: Re: 4DOS for NT
RE: 4NT Info
> Where can I get info on it?
Try the people who developed it:
Roger
From: rstott@sydney.dialix.com.au (Roger Stott)
Subject: Help: 4dos - Write error on PRN
Hi All,
Can someone tell me how to avoid a hanging system after booting
from a floppy? I use the 4dos supplied with NU ver 7 circa 1993
I use an Amstrad 286 without a connected HD and with its extra
memory used as a RAM drive. Once I have booted off a floppy
things usually go just fine. BUT sometimes I get the critical
error message after the A: light comes on - why it does this I
don't know. I get just ONE chance to insert a floppy (not even
one containing the system files). If I stuff this up (probably
through inattention), the system hangs & I get an error message:
Write error on device PRN
Retry, Ignore, Fail or Abort
I can find no reference to this error in any documentation that I
have.
Appended below are boot up files & output from Memory, Free &
Msdos Mem/c commands. Any suggestions?
Supplementary Q. Is there any (dos) File Manager tag em menu prog
which is 4dos Descript.ion aware?
Thanks
---- CONFIG.SYS ---- 05-04-98
device=himem.sys
dos=high
device=ramdrive.sys 3072 /e
files=40
country=061
install=a:\keyb.Com us,,a:\keyboard.Sys /e
shell=a:\ndos.com c:\ /p
======================
---- AUTOEXEC.BAT ----
@echo off
color whi on red bor blu
echo.
echo === A:\Autoexec.Bat Label: 05-06-97 ===
echo.
setdos /m1 /s70:10
copy ndos.* ncache2.* c:
ncache2 /install /+A /Multi=on
c:
set comspec=c:\ndos.com
path=c:\;c:\Btm;c:\Data;c:\Prog;c:\Tools
md \btm \data \prog \tools \z
SET temp=c:\z^SET Ted=30mn06703eff04^SET .txt=ted.com^ SET .lst=ted.com
copy a:\pkunzip.* c:\tools
pkunzip a:\tools c:\tools
pkunzip a:\btm c:\btm
echo..
alias /r c:\tools\alias.lst
@inkey To load working PROGRAM, insert floppy then press [y] : %%key
if "%key" == "y" CALL a:prog REM W'out needing Command.com
set key=
FREE
echo ** Autoexec.bat finished **
echo..
QUIT
---
MEMORY:
655,360 bytes total DOS RAM
594,672 bytes free
23,552 bytes free XMS memory (HMA in use)
512 bytes total environment
367 bytes free
1,024 bytes total alias
768 bytes free
1,024 bytes total history
FREE:
Volume in drive C is MS-RAMDRIVE
3,138,560 bytes total disk space
1,833,984 bytes used (WP51 has: 1,315,658)
1,304,576 bytes free
---
(MsDos) MEM /C
Conventional Memory :
Name Size in Decimal Size in Hex
------------- --------------------- -------------
MSDOS 17600 ( 17.2K) 44C0
HIMEM 1072 ( 1.0K) 430
RAMDRIVE 1184 ( 1.2K) 4A0
KEYB 6816 ( 6.7K) 1AA0
NDOS 3616 ( 3.5K) E20
NCACHE2 29072 ( 28.4K) 7190
FREE 80 ( 0.1K) 50
FREE 1008 ( 1.0K) 3F0
FREE 594656 (580.7K) 912E0
Total FREE : 595744 (581.8K)
Total bytes available to programs : 595744 (581.8K)
Largest executable program size : 594656 (580.7K)
3538944 bytes total contiguous extended memory
0 bytes available contiguous extended memory
23552 bytes available XMS memory
MS-DOS resident in High Memory Area
---
Rationale for this unusual configuration:
-----------------------------------------
The Amstrad PC2286 was their dud model! The HD always had disappearing
data in spite of having the drive & HD controller replaced on at least 2
occasions under warranty. Finally I decided to cut my losses & improvise,
so I disabled the HD and am using the once used windoze 4Mb RAM as a
ramdrive. After boot up, applications are unzipped into the PROG
directory. In this way I use WP 5.1, Qmodem & WP Planperfect & other older
Dos programs.
From: "Ronald Guenther" <guenron@nospam.email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Run out of MEMORY with DIR command
Well, looks like quite a series of "RESPONSES."
For those that might develop software for JPSOFT in the future:
1. Using 4DOS 6.01a
2. On WIN95 SR 2
3. On FAT 32 partition
4. As a secondary shell
5. With the following 4DOS.ini:
SWAPPING = XMS
UpperCase=YES
ColorDir=DIRS:CYAN;RDONLY:RED;HIDDEN SYSTEM:BLUE;
4StartPath=C:\4dos\
HelpPath=C:\4dos\
Environment = 2048
FUZZYCD=3
6. With the following 4START.BAT
@alias ca*lc = `set ans=%&%^ echo The answer is %@eval[%ans]`
@alias cca*lc =`set ans=(%ans)%&%^echo Chain calc %@eval[%ans]^IFF
%@len[%ANS]GT 222 THEN set ANS=%@eval[%ans] ^ ENDIFF`
@alias aud*it = echo %%ANS
@SET TEMP4DOS=C:\4D\
@SET DIRCMD=/a/l/z
@alias ls = *dir %dircmd
@alias del = *erase
7. Problem: When using the 4DOS DIR command on the
"C:\Program Files\Microsoft Publisher" directory with the /s
option I receive an out of memory error at the completion of the listing
of the directory immediately prior to any of the files in the
"C:\Program Files\Microsoft Publisher\CLIPART" directory
being listed. The CLIPART directory contains
5,231 file(s) 71,941,585 bytes
8. Problem: When using the 4DOS DIR command on the
"C:\Program Files\Microsoft Publisher\CLIPART" directory
without any options I receive an out of memory error
prior to any of the files in the directory being listed.
The following is the result of the mem command under 4DOS
Memory Type Total Used Free
---------------- -------- -------- --------
Conventional 640K 50K 590K
Upper 0K 0K 0K
Reserved 384K 384K 0K
Extended (XMS) 31,744K 30,920K 824K
---------------- -------- -------- --------
Total memory 32,768K 31,354K 1,414K
Total under 1 MB 640K 50K 590K
Total Expanded (EMS) 1,024K (1,048,576 bytes)
Free Expanded (EMS) 1,024K (1,048,576 bytes)
Largest executable program size 590K (604,640 bytes)
Largest free upper memory block 0K (0 bytes)
MS-DOS is resident in the high memory area.
Perhaps when a BUG FIX is available, someone can drop me an EMAIL
and I'll try this excellent replacement for COMMAND.COM again.
Thanks for your interest.
From: Roger A Krupski <krupski@acsu.buffalo.edu>
Subject: Re: Run out of MEMORY with DIR command
> The CLIPART directory contains
> 5,231 file(s) 71,941,585 bytes
> Perhaps when a BUG FIX is available, someone can drop me an EMAIL
> and I'll try this excellent replacement for COMMAND.COM again.
> Thanks for your interest.
I would not call it a "BUG". A bug is a software error. 4DOS sorts
the directory before displaying it. This requires memory. A large number
of directory entries can cause 4DOS to run out of memory. This problem
comes up once in a while and maybe JPSoft could add an option to
use XMS or EMS memory as a "DirSortBuffer" in the future. I don't
know all the details... it may not be practical or it may impact
compatability.
JPSoft writes their code to be as close and compatable to COMMAND.COM,
even if it means recreating COMMAND.COM's quirks. The result is a very
fine product that does anything COMMAND.COM does and hundreds of things
more.
Finally, for all the extra functions and features you get, 4DOS
(or 4NT or TakeCommand) are essential to have, even if they have
problems sorting huge directories.
When I do tech support calls, I *ALWAYS* bring along my own 4DOS
boot disk as a tool. I simply cannot get much done with COMMAND.COM.
I can understand your frustration, but be aware that 4DOS is not
a "new kid on the block". It's been around for many years and it
is quite mature and certainly stable. If you wait for "newer
versions which can sort huge directories", you will only be denying
yourself a great program. Trust me.
(BTW, I am in no way affiliated with JPSoft. I have no financial
interest in their company. I am simply a *VERY* satisifed user
who doesn't want to see others miss out on a *wonderful*,
*essential* product and tool).
Good luck!
Roger (a satisfied, registered 4NT [4DOS for Windows NT] user)
From: rags@triples.math.mcgill.ca (Robert A.G. Seely)
Subject: Re: Run out of MEMORY with DIR command
In article <3537FF76.26D1@acsu.buffalo.edu>,
Roger A Krupski <krupski@acsu.buffalo.edu> wrote:
>> The CLIPART directory contains
>> 5,231 file(s) 71,941,585 bytes
>
>> Perhaps when a BUG FIX is available, someone can drop me an EMAIL
>> and I'll try this excellent replacement for COMMAND.COM again.
>> Thanks for your interest.
>
>I would not call it a "BUG". A bug is a software error. 4DOS sorts
>the directory before displaying it. This requires memory. A large number
>of directory entries can cause 4DOS to run out of memory. This problem
>comes up once in a while and maybe JPSoft could add an option to
>use XMS or EMS memory as a "DirSortBuffer" in the future. I don't
>know all the details... it may not be practical or it may impact
>compatability.
[ snip - very warm and fully justified JPSOFT testimonial... ]
>Roger (a satisfied, registered 4NT [4DOS for Windows NT] user)
>
After "listening in" to this "large DIR" discussion, I tried the
following experiment: I created 2500 (small) files (easy using the
"for" command) and then did a DIR on the directory - under 4NT this
was not a problem at all. I don't use Win95 much, so haven't tried it
there, but I suspect the problem is with the way that "OS" handles
memory, so - if you are determined to do DIR's of large directories,
maybe the best solution is to switch to 4NT - even under Win95. (I
know this is not "supported" by JPSOFT - and so I'd go further and
suggest switching to NT.)
= rags =
From: selgy <selgy@pcanything.com>
Reply-To: selgy@pcanything.com
Subject: Re: share violation using copy
John Lee wrote:
>
> I'd like to use copy (in dos or better still in 4dos) in a batch file , to
> backup up a directory on a server that is shared in win95. Problem is that the
> copy stops with 'share violation (abort, retry etc)' message when it tries to
> copy a file being used. I realise that copy can't copy this file, but would
> like the copy to continue w/o the message. Is there any way to do this? TIA
>
> John Lee, Logica UK, +44 (0)171 446 4357, leej@logica.com
> -- opinions are mine--
I believe that if you hunt through the help files for 4DOS, you'll find
a switch or an environment variable or somesuch that automatically
answers Fail to any critical errors like that. While I wouldn't suggest
always having this on, it might work for your batch file.
redslime
From: bdoyle@eecs.ukans.edu (Brian Doyle)
Subject: Serial Port - DOS
Hello,
I am looking to write a serial port controller for some
external hardware, im looking for any turbo C, or any dos code or
help. Needs to work at 9600b.
Please e-mail
bdoyle@eecs.ukans.edu
From: "Michael Gregg" <mjgregg@netcom.com>
Subject: 4EDIT.EXE
Does anyone know where I can find a serial number for the 4DOS command
4EDIT.EXE?
Thanks
Subject: 4NT, command sep, what's happening?
Unless told otherwise, my 4NT uses the default command separator "&". I have no
INIfile directives or 4START commands that deal with the command separator.
SHRALIAS is not running.
1. Start shell 0 from the desktop ... issue "setdos /c~" ... start shell 1 from
the desktop ... shell 1's separator is "&" (is this to be expected?).
2. Start shell 0 from the desktop ... issue "setdos /c~" ... issue "4nt" at the
command line (shell 1 starts with sep "~", inherited, as expected) ... start
shell 2 from the desktop ... shell 2's separator is "~".
I'd like to know why the final shell, started from the desktop in each case,
gets different separator characters in the two scenarios above.
Thanks.
- Vince
Reply-To: "Tim Cruver" <TACruver@bigfoot.com>
From: "Tim Cruver" <Corwin@caspers.net>
Subject: Re: 4NT, command sep, what's happening?
When starting another instance of 4NT from the desktop, NT assumes you want
it in its own memory space and does so. When started from the first
instance, NT runs it in the same memory space. Nothing wrong, this is
normal.
Vincent Fatica wrote in message <353983d3.173214349@news.ican.net>...
>Unless told otherwise, my 4NT uses the default command separator "&". I
have no
>INIfile directives or 4START commands that deal with the command separator.
>SHRALIAS is not running.
>
>1. Start shell 0 from the desktop ... issue "setdos /c~" ... start shell 1
from
>the desktop ... shell 1's separator is "&" (is this to be expected?).
>
>2. Start shell 0 from the desktop ... issue "setdos /c~" ... issue "4nt" at
the
>command line (shell 1 starts with sep "~", inherited, as expected) ...
start
>shell 2 from the desktop ... shell 2's separator is "~".
>
>I'd like to know why the final shell, started from the desktop in each
case,
>gets different separator characters in the two scenarios above.
>
>Thanks.
>
> - Vince
>___
> Vincent Fatica
Reply-To: "Tim Cruver" <TACruver@bigfoot.com>
From: "Tim Cruver" <Corwin@caspers.net>
Subject: Re: Help: 4dos - Write error on PRN
NOTE the changes in your config.sys below.
>---- CONFIG.SYS ---- 05-04-98
>device=himem.sys
>dos=high
>device=ramdrive.sys 3072 /e
>files=40
>country=061
>install=a:\keyb.Com us,,a:\keyboard.Sys /e
>shell=a:\ndos.com c:\ /p change to shell=ndos.com
/p ; don't specify where the original is located
You may also want to update your 4dos to 6.01a and create a set file to
store environment settings.
Subject: Re: 4NT, command sep, what's happening?
On Sun, 19 Apr 1998 18:32:14 -0600, "Tim Cruver" <Corwin@caspers.net> wrote:
>When starting another instance of 4NT from the desktop, NT assumes you want
>it in its own memory space and does so. When started from the first
>instance, NT runs it in the same memory space. Nothing wrong, this is
>normal.
Would that it were so simple. In scenario 2 below, the last shell is started
from the desktop (not a "child") yet it gets the "modified" separator character.
I want to know why the second "desktop-started" shell's separator character is
dependent on whether the first desktop-started shell had spawned a child shell.
1. Start shell 0 from the desktop ... issue "setdos /c~" ... start shell 1 from
the desktop ... shell 1's separator is "&" (as you might expect?).
2. Start shell 0 from the desktop ... issue "setdos /c~" ... issue "4nt" at the
command line (shell 1 starts with sep "~", inherited, as expected) ... start
shell 2 from the desktop ... shell 2's separator is "~". (Why "~" now?)
- Vince
From: silk1@ibm.netXXX (Andy)
Subject: 4dos affects Win95 shut down screen
Reply-To: silk1@ibm.netXXX
I am running 4dos 6.0 in Win95 and it works great.
One small "problem". When I close Win95, the final shutdown screen is
broken up by vertical lines and the computer beeps once or twice. I
disable 4dos and it doesn't happen.
Does anyone know how to stop this?
Please mail direct.
Thanks,
Andy
From: adi@living-source.com (Adi Sieker)
Subject: Re: share violation using copy
Reply-To: adi@living-source.com
On Fri, 03 Apr 1998 11:05:00 GMT, leej@logica.com (John Lee) wrote:
>I'd like to use copy (in dos or better still in 4dos) in a batch file , to
>backup up a directory on a server that is shared in win95. Problem is that the
>copy stops with 'share violation (abort, retry etc)' message when it tries to
>copy a file being used. I realise that copy can't copy this file, but would
>like the copy to continue w/o the message. Is there any way to do this? TIA
>
I do something similiar in a batch file, but for only one file.
touch <filename>
if %_? == 0 copy <filename>
If you put that in a for loop that could do the trick
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From: Neal Daskal <ndaskal@delphi.com>
Subject: Re: Serial Port - DOS
In article <35390794.184525@news.cc.ukans.edu>,
bdoyle@eecs.ukans.edu (Brian Doyle) wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I am looking to write a serial port controller for some
> external hardware, im looking for any turbo C, or any dos code or
> help. Needs to work at 9600b.
>
> Please e-mail
>
> bdoyle@eecs.ukans.edu
>
You might find my web page helpful:
http://vm.marist.edu/~urnd/graphic.html#protocol
From: "James R. Phillips" <James.Phillips@alliedsignal.com>
Subject: Sending files to PRN
At home I have only one PC connected to my printer, so occasionally I
have to print to a file, copy to a floppy, and run to my other PC.
On the PC w/ printer, I have win-95 with both TC-32 and 4DOS available
as command processors. I find that the command
COPY /B FILENAME PRN
works flawlessly in 4DOS, but not in TC-32. Under TC-32, I usually get
a message about the printer not having enough memory for the file.
I in general am trying to get used to using TC-32, with its GUI
interface, as opposed to 4DOS, so naturally I am disappointed when
problems come up.
Is there any DESIGN reason why this should work in 4DOS and not with
TC-32? Is there a workaround that would allow it to work under TC-32?
Jim Phillips
From: rxconn@aol.com (RxConn)
Subject: Re: Sending files to PRN
> I find that the command
>COPY /B FILENAME PRN
>works flawlessly in 4DOS, but not in TC-32.
The PRN device doesn't exist in the Win32 GUI environment. (For that matter,
neither does STDIN, STDOUT, and STDERR, though TC/32 kludges around that.)
You can print a file from LIST in TC/32.
- Rex
From: MUSKB@luff.latrobe.edu.au (Bastin,kim)
Subject: Redirection under TCMD 2.01
I am having problems with redirection under TCMD v2.01 (also 2.00).
Redirection works fine with internal commands, but not with external.
E.g. if I type:
pkzip > file
I get the patently false error message
File not found C:\UTILITY\PKZIP\PKZIP.EXE
and a zero-length file is created. Now, the error message itself
shows that pkzip evidently _has_ been found via the PATH, but it's
not executed if redirection is requested.
Anyone else had similar problems?
Thanks -
Kim Bastin
From: rags@triples.math.mcgill.ca (Robert A.G. Seely)
Subject: Re: Redirection under TCMD 2.01
I tried your command both under 4NT and TC32, and got (as expected)
the help screen (which is what you get if you issue the command
"pkzip" without parameters or arguments). Did not get your error
message. Curiously I tried the same thing with "zip" (infozip that
is), and evidently the program tried to zip standin (standard input).
Yet another difference between these two programs, (which is why I
keep them both around....)
You do not specify which OS you are working under - maybe this is a
Win95 problem? By TCMD do you mean TC16 or TC32? (Evidently I am
using NT, hence the 4NT.)
= rags =
>I am having problems with redirection under TCMD v2.01 (also 2.00).
>Redirection works fine with internal commands, but not with external.
>E.g. if I type:
>
> pkzip > file
>
>I get the patently false error message
>
> File not found C:\UTILITY\PKZIP\PKZIP.EXE
>
>and a zero-length file is created. Now, the error message itself
>shows that pkzip evidently _has_ been found via the PATH, but it's
>not executed if redirection is requested.
>
>Anyone else had similar problems?
>
>Thanks -
>Kim Bastin
From: MUSKB@luff.latrobe.edu.au (Bastin,kim)
Subject: Re: Redirection under TCMD 2.01
Robert A.G. Seely (rags@triples.math.mcgill.ca) wrote:
: I tried your command both under 4NT and TC32, and got (as expected)
: the help screen (which is what you get if you issue the command
: "pkzip" without parameters or arguments). Did not get your error
: message. Curiously I tried the same thing with "zip" (infozip that
: is), and evidently the program tried to zip standin (standard input).
: Yet another difference between these two programs, (which is why I
: keep them both around....)
: You do not specify which OS you are working under - maybe this is a
: Win95 problem? By TCMD do you mean TC16 or TC32? (Evidently I am
: using NT, hence the 4NT.)
: = rags =
I'm using TC16 under W4WG 3.11. Under (4)DOS, of course, the command
PKZIP > FILE writes the PKZIP help screen to a file. But not for me
under TC16.
Kim Bastin
From: Rick Martin <rick.martin@pixelhyphengroup.com>
Subject: Re: Redirection under TCMD 2.01
Bastin,kim wrote:
>
> I am having problems with redirection under TCMD v2.01 (also 2.00).
> Redirection works fine with internal commands, but not with external.
> E.g. if I type:
> pkzip > file
> I get the patently false error message
> File not found C:\UTILITY\PKZIP\PKZIP.EXE
> and a zero-length file is created. Now, the error message itself
> shows that pkzip evidently _has_ been found via the PATH,
I don't have TCMD, but check for aliases. Have you moved PKZIP.EXE? Have
you redefined your alias?
Just a thought,
Rick
From: MUSKB@luff.latrobe.edu.au (Bastin,kim)
Subject: Re: Redirection under TCMD 2.01
Rick Martin (rick.martin@pixelhyphengroup.com) wrote:
: Bastin,kim wrote:
: >
: > I am having problems with redirection under TCMD v2.01 (also 2.00).
: > Redirection works fine with internal commands, but not with external.
: > E.g. if I type:
: > pkzip > file
: > I get the patently false error message
: > File not found C:\UTILITY\PKZIP\PKZIP.EXE
: > and a zero-length file is created. Now, the error message itself
: > shows that pkzip evidently _has_ been found via the PATH,
: I don't have TCMD, but check for aliases. Have you moved PKZIP.EXE? Have
: you redefined your alias?
No. Without the redirection, PKZIP displays the PKZIP help screen as it
should. With redirection, I get the above absurd error message. The
directory in the error message is exactly where PKZIP is located.
The same happens even if I include the full path in the command.
However, similar things happen with _any_ external command - PKZIP is merely
an example. Internal commands like DIR can be redirected without problems.
I find this puzzling and wonder if anybody else has seen similar behaviour.
Kim Bastin
From: term618@nightowl.net (Batz)
Subject: Re: Redirection under TCMD 2.01
MUSKB@luff.latrobe.edu.au (Bastin,kim) wrote:
>No. Without the redirection, PKZIP displays the PKZIP help screen as it
>should. With redirection, I get the above absurd error message. The
>directory in the error message is exactly where PKZIP is located.
>The same happens even if I include the full path in the command.
>
>However, similar things happen with _any_ external command - PKZIP is merely
>an example. Internal commands like DIR can be redirected without problems.
>I find this puzzling and wonder if anybody else has seen similar behaviour.
>
TC16 can only redirect external DOS commands if they run in the
Caveman VM. Under Options | Vm Setup, do you have "Run DOS app in
Caveman VM" checked?
B&R Batz
From: rxconn@aol.com (RxConn)
Subject: Re: 4NT, command sep, what's happening?
>1. Start shell 0 from the desktop ... issue "setdos /c~" ... start
> shell 1 from the desktop ... shell 1's separator is "&" (is this
> to be expected?).
Yes, given this exact sequence of events.
>2. Start shell 0 from the desktop ... issue "setdos /c~" ...
>issue "4nt" at the command line (shell 1 starts with sep "~",
> inherited, as expected) ... start shell 2 from the desktop
> ... shell 2's separator is "~".
Not reproducible, and not technically possible unless
you do something else between shell 1 and shell 2.
(Which could be as simple as executing an external
app in your 4START.)
To explain why, you first have to understand that there
isn't actually any such thing as "shell 0, shell 1, shell 2, etc."
in NT. There isn't even a concept of a parent process
(though there is a child process concept, go figure...).
In your examples, the "true" shell level would be 0 in
every case. But this made former DOS and OS/2 users
unhappy (though why anybody would want to shell
from one copy of 4NT to another is beyond me!), so I
added a kludge to give the appearance of shell levels.
Basically, when a 4NT process starts, it creates a shared
memory area that has its shell level and a block of memory
for the .INI directives. It also looks for other shared
memory so it can determine how many shells are already
running, and thus create its shell number. But it doesn't
fill that .INI block until it runs an external app (or does a
pipe, same thing). So in your example 1, shell 1 tries to
read shell 0's block, finds nothing there, and uses the
default values.
I suppose I could add a lot of code to constantly update
the shared memory area whenever you do any of several
dozen things that could change INI values, but I frankly
don't see the significance.
- Rex
Subject: Re: 4NT, command sep, what's happening?
On 22 Apr 1998 02:01:44 GMT, rxconn@aol.com (RxConn) wrote:
>>1. Start shell 0 from the desktop ... issue "setdos /c~" ... start
>> shell 1 from the desktop ... shell 1's separator is "&" (is this
>> to be expected?).
>
>Yes, given this exact sequence of events.
Thanks, Rex. You were right about the second scenario ... an external app in my
4START.BTM. But this points out another unfortunate (IMHO) situation ...
1. Start shell 0 from the desktop (set char is "&")
2. Issue: "setdos /c~" (sep char is now "~")
3. Run an external app from shell 0's command line
4. Start shell 1 from the desktop (set char is "~") <---------!!!!!
The arises occasionally here because of a BTM which runs (for about 8 minutes)
periodically (with NT's AT). In order to correctly process an MSOffice directory
with an unfortunate "&" in its name, this BTM changes the sep char and runs an
external SORT. If I fire up a new 4NT shell while this BTM is in progress, it
gets the temporary sep char.
Fortunately, I can get around this easily with:
[Secondary]
CommandSep = &
- Vince
From: "└╠╗≤┴°" <leesj@humax.conin.co.kr>
Subject: batch file informed subdirectory size?
charset="euc-kr"
I want to make a batch file that inform subdirectory size.
Its description is below.
dsck.btm (disk space check batch file on 4dos for Win95)
Usage: dsck [path]
for example, tree structure is below:
D:\ has three directory that is SUB1, SUB2, SUB3,
their directory have many subdirectory.
I want to know the only size of directory SUB1, SUB2, SUB3
included subdirectory.
d:\> dsck
SUB1 100KB
SUB2 150KB
SUB3 25KB
free 30KB
d:\>
If there is same role's tool or command of 4dos, it's fine.
Thanks in advance.
From: rags@triples.math.mcgill.ca (Robert A.G. Seely)
Subject: Re: batch file informed subdirectory size?
Some time ago, Alkis Ioannidis posted a pair of btm files (du.btm and
ds.btm) that seem to be the sort of thing you want - in fact, ds.btm
does pretty much exactly what you want. You can probably find them
using dejanews (I slightly modified them to suit my purposes, and so
am somewhat reluctant to post them - the originals might be better for
you.)
= rags =
In article <6hjspa$iog$1@news.kornet.nm.kr>,
└╠╗≤┴° <leesj@humax.conin.co.kr> wrote:
>I want to make a batch file that inform subdirectory size.
>Its description is below.
>
>dsck.btm (disk space check batch file on 4dos for Win95)
>Usage: dsck [path]
>
>for example, tree structure is below:
>D:\ has three directory that is SUB1, SUB2, SUB3,
>their directory have many subdirectory.
>I want to know the only size of directory SUB1, SUB2, SUB3
>included subdirectory.
>
>d:\> dsck
>SUB1 100KB
>SUB2 150KB
>SUB3 25KB
>free 30KB
>
>d:\>
>
>If there is same role's tool or command of 4dos, it's fine.
>Thanks in advance.
From: trawson@jpsoft.com (Tom Rawson)
Subject: Re: NT hangs...
Reply-To: trawson@jpsoft.com
Eckhard Richter <eckhard@berlin.snafu.de> wrote:
>We have a NT-Server (4.0, SP3) with a running TCMD-Application (it
>copies files between Servers). After running some days, the system
>resources of the NT-System are empty (!! a 1 GIG RAM machine), only a
>reboot can br=EDng the system up....
What version of Take Command are you running??
Tom Rawson trawson@jpsoft.com
From: trawson@jpsoft.com (Tom Rawson)
Subject: Re: 4dos affects Win95 shut down screen
Reply-To: trawson@jpsoft.com
silk1@ibm.netXXX (Andy) wrote:
>One small "problem". When I close Win95, the final shutdown screen is
>broken up by vertical lines and the computer beeps once or twice. I
>disable 4dos and it doesn't happen.
No clue. I've never heard of this before and we have thousands of people
running 4DOS with Win95. Most likely it is not 4DOS per se, but the fact
that memory layout is slightly different with a different command processor
loaded, or some other similar subtle factor. This is probably triggering
some minor video oddity on your system that could probably be corrected with
a configuration change, but I have no idea what to try. Perhaps someone
else can suggest something if they have seen this before.
Tom Rawson trawson@jpsoft.com
From: techie@iname.com (Kevin Speaks)
Subject: Re: 4Dos Descript.Ion
Reply-To: techie@iname.com
On Thu, 02 Apr 1998 16:27:46 GMT, ogdeneb@nyn.suny.edu (Everett Ogden)
wrote:
>>> When I selectively move files in Windows explorer, the file
>>> description, if one existed prior to the move, is lost.
>>>
>>> For instance,
>>> C:\Download\Windows\Win95\Utils\Winzip32.Exe Winzip v6.30 32-Bit beta
>>> if I move the file to
>>> C:\Download\Windows\Win95\Utils\Compression\Winzip32.Exe
>>> the entry in the descript.ion is lost from both directories.
>>
>>Is this a "spaces in LFNs" question? How do you actually type your move
>>command? In particular, where do you add quotes?
>
>Actually it's a "why doesn't Microsoft support 4DOS descriptions"
>question. And not far from a "Doctor, it hurts when I do that"
That's kinda what I figured you'd say. I doubt Microsoft would
ever even consider implementing such a thing.
From: techie@iname.com (Kevin Speaks)
Subject: Re: 4Dos Descript.Ion
Reply-To: techie@iname.com
On Thu, 02 Apr 1998 19:23:05 +0100, Rick Martin
<rick.martin@pixel-group.com> wrote:
>> >> When I selectively move files in Windows explorer, the file
>> >> description, if one existed prior to the move, is lost.
> ...
>> >> the entry in the descript.ion is lost from both directories.
>> >
>> >Is this a "spaces in LFNs" question? How do you actually type your
>> >move command? In particular, where do you add quotes?
>>
>But Eric says that the descript.ion entry is lost from both. Maybe the
>question is "How do you observe that the entry is lost from both
>directories?" Is it by "dir" (but the file no longer exists in the
>"source" directory so will not get listed), by copying/moving a file
>back (in which case I assume the old descript.ion entry will be
>overwritten) or by LISTing descript.ion?
Using the DIR command. I believe once 4Dos detects the file no
longer exists, it cleans the entry from the descript.ion file. I
believe this behavior is an option in the 4Dos.Ini file. But since
the move was completed with explorer, the description file was not
updated in the receiving directory.
Reply-To: "Tim Cruver" <TACruver@bigfoot.com>
From: "Tim Cruver" <Corwin@caspers.net>
Subject: Re: batch file informed subdirectory size?
Try this:
dir /s /g
this will return a directory listing including subdirectories and allocated
space as well as the total for all files. If you don't want to see the total
allocated space just get rid of the /g.
Robert A.G. Seely wrote in message <6hjuvt$kq7$1@triples.math.mcgill.ca>...
>Some time ago, Alkis Ioannidis posted a pair of btm files (du.btm and
>ds.btm) that seem to be the sort of thing you want - in fact, ds.btm
>does pretty much exactly what you want. You can probably find them
>using dejanews (I slightly modified them to suit my purposes, and so
>am somewhat reluctant to post them - the originals might be better for
>you.)
>
>= rags =
>
>In article <6hjspa$iog$1@news.kornet.nm.kr>,
>└╠╗≤┴° <leesj@humax.conin.co.kr> wrote:
>>I want to make a batch file that inform subdirectory size.
>>Its description is below.
>>
>>dsck.btm (disk space check batch file on 4dos for Win95)
>>Usage: dsck [path]
>>
>>for example, tree structure is below:
>>D:\ has three directory that is SUB1, SUB2, SUB3,
>>their directory have many subdirectory.
>>I want to know the only size of directory SUB1, SUB2, SUB3
>>included subdirectory.
>>
>>d:\> dsck
>>SUB1 100KB
>>SUB2 150KB
>>SUB3 25KB
>>free 30KB
>>
>>d:\>
>>
>>If there is same role's tool or command of 4dos, it's fine.
>>Thanks in advance.
From: rags@triples.math.mcgill.ca (Robert A.G. Seely)
Subject: Re: batch file informed subdirectory size?
In article <XTBu7qfb9GA.172@news.CASPERS.NET>,
Tim Cruver <TACruver@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>Try this:
>
>dir /s /g
>
No - not at all what was asked for: this gives a listing of all the files
in the directories, but the original question just asked for a summary
of the amount of disk space used by those files (not the file list
too). No doubt one could fudge something using a pipe and a grep from
the file list though, but the btm files I mentioned did the job
adequately. (I still use them, several years after they were first
posted - and they were intended for 4DOS, but I found that they work fine
on 4NT (with just a few obvious adjustments...).
= rags =
>this will return a directory listing including subdirectories and allocated
>space as well as the total for all files. If you don't want to see the total
>allocated space just get rid of the /g.
>
>Robert A.G. Seely wrote in message <6hjuvt$kq7$1@triples.math.mcgill.ca>...
>>Some time ago, Alkis Ioannidis posted a pair of btm files (du.btm and
>>ds.btm) that seem to be the sort of thing you want - in fact, ds.btm
>>does pretty much exactly what you want. You can probably find them
>>using dejanews (I slightly modified them to suit my purposes, and so
>>am somewhat reluctant to post them - the originals might be better for
>>you.)
>>
>>= rags =
From: Family Combes <combes@better.net.au>
Subject: running dos 6.22 annd dos 4 at the same time?
can some one email me how to do it! thanks
From: kumar@sunmtm.kuleuven.ac.be (Hari Kumar)
Subject: Re: 4dos affects Win95 shut down screen
In article <6hkvdg$i6l@news-central.tiac.net>,
trawson@jpsoft.com (Tom Rawson) writes:
> silk1@ibm.netXXX (Andy) wrote:
>
>>One small "problem". When I close Win95, the final shutdown screen is
>>broken up by vertical lines and the computer beeps once or twice. I
>>disable 4dos and it doesn't happen.
>
> No clue. I've never heard of this before and we have thousands of people
> running 4DOS with Win95. Most likely it is not 4DOS per se, but the fact
> that memory layout is slightly different with a different command processor
> loaded, or some other similar subtle factor. This is probably triggering
> some minor video oddity on your system that could probably be corrected with
> a configuration change, but I have no idea what to try. Perhaps someone
> else can suggest something if they have seen this before.
>
> Tom Rawson trawson@jpsoft.com
Do you have an autoexec.bat? Do you invoke Win95 through autoexec.bat?
If so, check the statements you have after win.com is invoked. Their
must be a command that outputs to the screen.
From: Bruce Hawkins <bhawkins@sophia.smith.edu>
Subject: Re: batch file informed subdirectory size?
On 23 Apr 1998, Robert A.G. Seely wrote:
> Tim Cruver <TACruver@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> >Try this:
> >
> >dir /s /g
> >
> No - not at all what was asked for: this gives a listing of all the files
> in the directories, but the original question just asked for a summary
> of the amount of disk space used by those files (not the file list
> too). No doubt one could fudge something using a pipe and a grep from
dir /u gives the total size of the files in the current (sub)directory. If
you want the total in all subdirectories:
dir /us
Of course you have to parse the result to extract the datum you want. That
is easier if you supress the headers:
dir /uk or dir /uks
Hope this helps.
From: pennyl@qis.net (Penny Lemire)
Subject: Re: batch file informed subdirectory size?
Reply-To: davelemire@alum.mit.edu
"└╠╗≤┴°" <leesj@humax.conin.co.kr> wrote:
>I want to make a batch file that inform subdirectory size.
>Its description is below.
>
>dsck.btm (disk space check batch file on 4dos for Win95)
>Usage: dsck [path]
>
>for example, tree structure is below:
>D:\ has three directory that is SUB1, SUB2, SUB3,
>their directory have many subdirectory.
>I want to know the only size of directory SUB1, SUB2, SUB3
>included subdirectory.
The /U (summary) option of the directory command gives you this
information for the current directory. When combined with the /S
(recurse through subdirectories) option you'll get close to your
goal. DIR /S /U will produce the output you want at its end, but
will also provide the summaries of all of the included
subdirectories along the way. You could either filter it's output
through some sort of FIND program to isolate it down to the
specific value you want or live with the "noise". Somewhere along
the line I wrote a batch file that told me the total space
occupied by each subdirectory tree off the root (e.g., the total
space of the C:\WINDOWS\... tree, the total space of the
C:\UTILS... tree, etc.). Unfortunately, I don't see it on my hard
drive anymore.
- DaveL (borrowing wife's ISP account)
From: bREMOVE.rossi@intesys.it (Bernardo Rossi)
Subject: Keystack and Ctrl-Shift
Hi there,
I need something like this:
keystack control-shift a
for a program which needs this combination of keys to start up.
Can anyone tell me what scancode this would mean?
thanks
Bernardo Rossi
From: Juris <rslabs@parks.lv>
Subject: How to login to FileServer
Hi !
I have a question concerning Novell netware workstation programming.
How to perform the 'login encrypted' to Novell netware V3.12 file
server,
using standart Novell network interface (via int 21h) ?
Given: login name, password.
It would be very interesting to receive any
suggestions/answers/advices
Thank you.
Please e-mail to
juris-rslabs@parks.lv
From: willem.nieuwenhuis@wxs.nl (Willem Nieuwenhuis)
Subject: Re: batch file informed subdirectory size?
I once wrote a small program to do exactly this. It does not recognize
long file names, but only display the dir size information and the
number of files. Example output:
CTREE 1.1. Directory tree size Copyright (c) 1995, W.
Nieuwenhuis
type CTREE
-h for help
Mask used: *.* cluster size: 8192 bytes
9,595,163 26 f:\spel\duke3d
6,226,975 29 f:\spel\startrek
879,990 6 f:\spel\wowspill
2,615,292 17 f:\spel\mahj95
1,060,992 2 f:\spel
Total size: 20,378,412 (20,758,528) bytes in 78 files and 5 dirs
If you want a copy send me a mail.
Willem
pennyl@qis.net (Penny Lemire) wrote:
>"└╠╗≤┴°" <leesj@humax.conin.co.kr> wrote:
>>I want to make a batch file that inform subdirectory size.
>>Its description is below.
>>
>>dsck.btm (disk space check batch file on 4dos for Win95)
>>Usage: dsck [path]
>>
>>for example, tree structure is below:
>>D:\ has three directory that is SUB1, SUB2, SUB3,
>>their directory have many subdirectory.
>>I want to know the only size of directory SUB1, SUB2, SUB3
>>included subdirectory.
>
>The /U (summary) option of the directory command gives you this
>information for the current directory. When combined with the /S
>(recurse through subdirectories) option you'll get close to your
>goal. DIR /S /U will produce the output you want at its end, but
>will also provide the summaries of all of the included
>subdirectories along the way. You could either filter it's output
>through some sort of FIND program to isolate it down to the
>specific value you want or live with the "noise". Somewhere along
>the line I wrote a batch file that told me the total space
>occupied by each subdirectory tree off the root (e.g., the total
>space of the C:\WINDOWS\... tree, the total space of the
>C:\UTILS... tree, etc.). Unfortunately, I don't see it on my hard
>drive anymore.
Willem Nieuwenhuis
From: "└╠╗≤┴°" <leesj@humax.conin.co.kr>
Subject: Re: batch file informed subdirectory size?
charset="euc-kr"
I don't want to see the included subdirectory.
I need the amount of directories in assigned path or current path.
Tim Cruver └╠(░í) ╕▐╜├┴÷┐í╝¡ └█╝║╟╧┐┤╜└┤╧┤┘...
>Try this:
>
>dir /s /g
>
>this will return a directory listing including subdirectories and allocated
>space as well as the total for all files. If you don't want to see the
total
>allocated space just get rid of the /g.
From: "Robin Bowes" <robin.bowes@mcmail.com.nospam>
Subject: Re: 4NT, command sep, what's happening?
charset="iso-8859-1"
Vincent Fatica wrote in message <353e64d1.131762033@news.ican.net>...
>Fortunately, I can get around this easily with:
>
> [Secondary]
> CommandSep = &
Personally, I always use %+ rather than any single command seperator.
Robin
From: Eddy Vervest <EddyV@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: running dos 6.22 annd dos 4 at the same time?
The most simply way to do this is booting into MS-DOS 6.22 and
put in your autoexec.bat: c:\4dos\4dos.com . Whenever you feel quiting
4dos type exit and 4dos.com if you want to start it again.
Read the 4dos.txt file for more info.
Eddy
Family Combes wrote:
>
> can some one email me how to do it! thanks
From: cdfoster@ix.nospam.netcom.com (Cameron Foster)
Subject: Re: How to login to FileServer
Reply-To: cdfoster@ix.netcom.com
On Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:22:09 +0300, Juris <rslabs@parks.lv> wrote:
[posted and mailed - followups set]
>Hi !
>
> I have a question concerning Novell netware workstation programming.
>
Just curious -- since you know what your question is about, what on
earth prompted you to post in comp.lang.c?
Cameron Foster
From: glocke@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Gord Locke)
Subject: trailing '\' after directory completions
Hi all. I'm using ver 5.51. How can I make it so that when I'm
selecting a directory with either tab or F9, there's a '\' at the
end of the directory name? Thanks.
--
< Gord Locke <> glocke@morgan.ucs.mun.ca <> http://www.ucs.mun.ca/~glocke/ >
From: "Kjetil Raknerud" <raknerud.online@os.telia.no>
Subject: 4dos.ini
Can anyone send me just a simple 4dos.ini file, I'd like to get color when
using dir and that stuff.
From: akim@nettilinja.fi (Mika Leppaenen)
Subject: Re: 4NT, command sep, what's happening?
In article <353e51a0.0@news.home.internal>,
"Robin Bowes" <robin.bowes@mcmail.com.nospam> wrote:
>> [Secondary]
>> CommandSep = &
>
>Personally, I always use %+ rather than any single command seperator.
Does +-variable mean command separator?
Subject: Re: 4dos.ini
Simply let the internal OPTION command create a 4DOS.INI for you. As an
alternative, you can use any ASCII editor and enter the directives you
want as documented in the online help an documentation.
Note that "colorized" directory listings don't even require a 4DOS.INI
and can be tested using thr COLORDIR variable.
Kjetil Raknerud wrote:
>
> Can anyone send me just a simple 4dos.ini file, I'd like to get color when
> using dir and that stuff.
Mike Bessy JP Software, Inc.
Subject: Re: trailing '\' after directory completions
The directive to do that is "AppendToDir", but it was introduced in 4DOS
5.52 and is not avaialable in your old 5.51, sorry. You may want to
consider upgrading to the current 4DOS 6.01A. See our Web pages for a
list of changes and enhancements.
Gord Locke wrote:
>
> Hi all. I'm using ver 5.51. How can I make it so that when I'm
> selecting a directory with either tab or F9, there's a '\' at the
> end of the directory name? Thanks.
Mike Bessy JP Software, Inc.
From: sylvainp@mypc.com
Subject: Re: running dos 6.22 annd dos 4 at the same time?
On Fri, 24 Apr 1998 04:55:01 +1000, Family Combes
<combes@better.net.au> wrote:
>can some one email me how to do it! thanks
dos 4 and 4dos are not the same thing, dos 4 is an old version of dos
and 4dos is a replacement for command.com. Note that when you install
4dos on dos 6.22, dos6.22 is still your operating system but command
input and batch file processing is now handled by 4dos.com instead of
command.com.
Sylvain Poirier
From: "0doubt" <0doubt@fdt.net>
Subject: Directory changing.
I have been trying to figure this one out for a while now.
I use 4dos under win98. Now, when doing so (and it was the same under 95
btw), I use it as the primary shell (loaded with shell= in the config.sys).
With that configuration, I set the directory history to global.
So far so good. Now, I can see globally the directory history, as I should
be able to.
However, if in windows I change and browse through a directory, it becomes
the default direcoty for that drive. If I open a 4dos window AFTER I have
closed the directory in explorer, and change the direcoty AWAY from the
default dir from 95, the next 4dos shell I open up has the SAME default
directory?!?!?
How can i get 4dos to override windows' default directory control..
IE>
In win95, I browse to D:\whatever
Then open a 4dos window, and it shows d:\whatever as the default directoy.
Then i go to d, and type cd .., making the default d:\
I then close the window, and open another, and the changes were NOT saved.
Wassup??
How do i avoid this?
I want 4dos to be in control...
0doubt
From: nrussell@iglou.com (Nate Russell)
Subject: Re: batch file informed subdirectory size?
NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net
On Wed, 22 Apr 1998 13:48:06 +0900, "└╠╗≤┴°" <leesj@humax.conin.co.kr>
wrote:
>I want to make a batch file that inform subdirectory size.
>Its description is below.
>
>dsck.btm (disk space check batch file on 4dos for Win95)
>Usage: dsck [path]
>
>for example, tree structure is below:
>D:\ has three directory that is SUB1, SUB2, SUB3,
>their directory have many subdirectory.
>I want to know the only size of directory SUB1, SUB2, SUB3
>included subdirectory.
>
>d:\> dsck
>SUB1 100KB
>SUB2 150KB
>SUB3 25KB
>free 30KB
>
>d:\>
>
>If there is same role's tool or command of 4dos, it's fine.
>Thanks in advance.
I wrote a DOS basic program to do just that (minus the free line). It
can run in a dos box under 95/NT. If you're interested I can email it
to you. It works in the current directory. It sums up each of the sub
dir trees and outputs two files, one fixed length for listing and a
comma delimited file to import into your favorite database.
There is a win95/NT shareware program that does a nice job.
Powerdesk, it includes a proggie called size manager.
The URL is www.mijenix.com
Nate
From: "0doubt" <0doubt@fdt.net>
Subject: New to takecommand..
Well, I have grudgingly used TakeCommand everyonce in a while, but now i am
really trying to push myself to go to it instead of 4dos.
Now, after getting it configured "Just so", I have a few questions...
1. If I have the window set for approx. 1/3rd of the screen, it does a DIR
SOOOOO fast, but if I go full screen, BOOM, it takes months. Is this my
video card, or is there a setting I can use to make it scroll faster.
2. Anytime I do a type file.ans of an ansimation (an ansi with positioning
commands, like save, and restore), it screws it up massively, whereas 4dos
doesnt.
3. The scroll lines # seems to affect my prompt.. I have a 3 line prompt
with ansi in it, and if I scroll off the screen it "bumps" down a line below
my prompt. In 4dos, it doesnt, thanks to using ESC[s ad ESC[u.
4. Is there a way to set it up so that external proggies, such as edit, or
telemate will not take control away from takecommand?
Anyway to fix any or all of the above would be appreciated. I love 4dos, and
have for years. Now I am trying to make the transition, and the above would
make it MUCH easier.
0doubt
From: "Mike Taluto" <mike1995@msn.com>
Subject: NEED OF HELP WITH DOS PROBLEM
I just added a new hard drive to my computer.. I went on to add new programs
and keep getting an error with installation.
The error is C\Dos\~inso 432.mp is a corrupt file...
Please email the answer if you could help
Mike1995@MSN.Com
Subject: Re: New to takecommand..
I assume you are dealing with Take Command/32 (2.01A?) under Win95.
1. It's unclear what you mean by "fullscreen". Perhaps you are
referring to a maximized window? In any case, TakeCommand is pretty
much at the mercy of your Windows video driver. Switching to a
different driver and/or resolution (including color depth) may alter the
display speed, but that's mostly between Windows and your display
adapter.
2. Presumably, your *.ANS file contains ANSI sequences. Since the TYPE
command merely sends the contents of the file to the screen, the
specifics of how it displays depend on whether you have loaded an ANSI
driver (under 4DOS) or enabled the ANSI directive (under Take Command).
It's difficult to guess whether you expect an ANSI console or not, under
their command processosr, but it's easy enough for you to experiment to
get the results you wanted.
3. I can't make any good guesses since you didn't tell us exactly what
PROMPT you use. This may be another ANSI-related issue (see #3)
4. Huh? The Win95 bundles includes an EDIT.COM, but that's a _DOS_
application. Depending on your configuration and how you invoke it, it
will either display in its own separate console session, or appear in
the Take Command window (with CAVEMAN), etc... You may want to review
the TAke Command online help and documentation, especially the section
on "Console Applications and the Console Window" for details on your
various options.
0doubt wrote:
>
> Well, I have grudgingly used TakeCommand everyonce in a while, but now i am
> really trying to push myself to go to it instead of 4dos.
>
> Now, after getting it configured "Just so", I have a few questions...
>
> 1. If I have the window set for approx. 1/3rd of the screen, it does a DIR
> SOOOOO fast, but if I go full screen, BOOM, it takes months. Is this my
> video card, or is there a setting I can use to make it scroll faster.
>
> 2. Anytime I do a type file.ans of an ansimation (an ansi with positioning
> commands, like save, and restore), it screws it up massively, whereas 4dos
> doesnt.
>
> 3. The scroll lines # seems to affect my prompt.. I have a 3 line prompt
> with ansi in it, and if I scroll off the screen it "bumps" down a line below
> my prompt. In 4dos, it doesnt, thanks to using ESC[s ad ESC[u.
>
> 4. Is there a way to set it up so that external proggies, such as edit, or
> telemate will not take control away from takecommand?
>
> Anyway to fix any or all of the above would be appreciated. I love 4dos, and
> have for years. Now I am trying to make the transition, and the above would
> make it MUCH easier.
>
> 0doubt
Mike Bessy JP Software, Inc.
From: "Günther Schättiger" <schaetti@informatik.uni-hamburg.de>
Subject: Re: batch file informed subdirectory size?
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
--------------59E80109FE078DBD7A97CD10
└╠╗≤┴° wrote:
>
> I want to make a batch file that inform subdirectory size.
> Its description is below.
>
> dsck.btm (disk space check batch file on 4dos for Win95)
> Usage: dsck [path]
>
> for example, tree structure is below:
> D:\ has three directory that is SUB1, SUB2, SUB3,
> their directory have many subdirectory.
> I want to know the only size of directory SUB1, SUB2, SUB3
> included subdirectory.
>
> d:\> dsck
> SUB1 100KB
> SUB2 150KB
> SUB3 25KB
> free 30KB
>
> d:\>
>
> If there is same role's tool or command of 4dos, it's fine.
> Thanks in advance.
> --
> http://humax.conin.co.kr/~leesj/
Some time ago I wrote a 4DOS-Batch that just does what you want.
Start the batch in the SUB you want to start and it lists the sizes
of the SUBS to a filed names QUOTOT.TXT (that means "Quota total").
I will attach that batch to this posting.
@echo off
:: QUOT95.BTM
:: neues Programm zur Bestimmung des Plattenplatzes von
:: Directories und deren Subdirectories unter Win95 und NT.
:: Benutzt die Dateinamen VRZCHN.NAM sowie Dateien mit den
:: Namen der Subdirectories und der Endung .SUB
:: Läuft *NUR* unter 4DOS 5.52 / 4DOS NT 2.52 oder höher!
:: Autor: Günther Schättiger Datum: 14.04.97
cls white on blue
drawbox 5 15 9 55 0 red on red fill red shadow
scrput 7 18 bright white on red `Verzeichnisse werden gelesen...`
echo `Quota vom Verzeichnis` "%_cwds" `am` %_date >quotot.txt
echo. >>quotot.txt
echos %@format[-35,".\"]`->` >>quotot.txt ^ echo %@format[20,%@comma[%@filesize[*.*]]] Bytes >>quotot.txt
dir/a:d/fb > vrzchn.nam
for %verz in (@vrzchn.nam) do (echo %verz > "%@name["%verz"].sub" ^ dir/a:d/sb "%verz" >> "%@name["%verz"].sub")
for %verz in (@vrzchn.nam) do (
echos %@format[-35,"%@filename["%verz"]"]`->` >>quotot.txt^ set summe=0 ^ for %datei in (@"%@name["%verz"].sub") do (
iff %@filesize["%datei\*.*"] eq -1 then
set summe=%@eval[%summe+0]
else
set summe=%@eval[%summe+%@filesize["%datei\*.*"]]
endiff) ^ echo %@format[20,%@comma[%summe]] Bytes >>quotot.txt)
for %verz in (@vrzchn.nam) do del/q "%@name["%verz"].sub"
del/q vrzchn.nam
drawbox 5 15 9 55 0 green on green fill green shadow
scrput 7 18 bright white on green ` `
scrput 7 28 bright white on green `Fertig!`
screen 16 1
--------------59E80109FE078DBD7A97CD10--
From: rxconn@aol.com (RxConn)
Subject: Re: New to takecommand..
>1. If I have the window set for approx. 1/3rd of the screen, it
> does a DIR SOOOOO fast, but if I go full screen, BOOM, it
> takes months. Is this my video card, or is there a setting I can
> use to make it scroll faster.
The problem is with the (very slow) Windows scrolling; you can speed things up
by changing your ScrollLines setting in your .INI file (either directly or
through OPTION).
>2. Anytime I do a type file.ans of an ansimation (an ansi with
>positioning commands, like save, and restore), it screws it up
> massively, whereas 4dos doesnt.
Is this with TC/16 or TC/32 (and what version)? Did you enable ANSI support
for TC? If so, what does your FILE.ANS look like? (TC doesn't support the
entire set of ANSI commands, so it may
be a problem with an unsupported escape sequence.)
>3. The scroll lines # seems to affect my prompt.. I have a 3 line
> prompt with ansi in it, and if I scroll off the screen it "bumps"
> down a line below my prompt. In 4dos, it doesnt, thanks to
> using ESC[s ad ESC[u.
Can you post your prompt?
- Rex
From: Tom Almy <tom.almy@tek.com>
Subject: Re: New to takecommand..
Reply-To: tom.almy@tek.com
0doubt wrote:
> Well, I have grudgingly used TakeCommand everyonce in a while, but now i am
> really trying to push myself to go to it instead of 4dos.
[...]
> Anyway to fix any or all of the above would be appreciated. I love 4dos, and
> have for years. Now I am trying to make the transition, and the above would
> make it MUCH easier.
Why do you feel you have to make the transition? There's nothing wrong
with using 4DOS (and friends 4NT and 4OS2). There are a number of things
which TakeCommand can't do as well as the "4" programs, such as running
console applications and piping. I've got the whole suite but only rarely start
TakeCommand.
Tom Almy -- tom.almy@tek.com
From: akim@nettilinja.fi (Mika Leppanen)
Subject: Win95 and 4NT
I have noticed that 4NT works with Windows95. Which one I should use,
4DOS v6.01A or 4NT? I have installed 4DOS as my primary shell.
From: "0doubt" <0doubt@fdt.net>
Subject: Re: New to takecommand..
>> Well, I have grudgingly used TakeCommand everyonce in a while, but now i
am
>> really trying to push myself to go to it instead of 4dos.
>Why do you feel you have to make the transition? There's nothing wrong
>with using 4DOS (and friends 4NT and 4OS2). There are a number of things
>which TakeCommand can't do as well as the "4" programs, such as running
>console applications and piping. I've got the whole suite but only rarely
start
>TakeCommand.
Not HAVE to, want to. It's a logical transition. For the LONGEST time I was
a dos-only person. I would fight to the death anyone who told me win3.1 was
better! Then came 95. Now, it didnt have much stability-wise, but it handled
multi-tasking REAL well compared to DesqView. Next came 95osr2, which
eliminated most of the problems with it. Thus, I became a 95 user. Now I am
usig 98, the last non-NT based windows. Eventually (around y2k),
windows95/98 and NT will merge.
As such, it is in my best intrest to get used to 32-bit or higher apps that
have the same functionality, or close. 32-bit is of COURSE faster, and
TakeCommand is REALLY nice on speed compared to 4dos. Doing a dir /p in TC
is WONDERFUL, in 4dos, ahh, sokay. Each has their strengths. 4dos will NEVER
be removed completely from my harddrive, but I would very much like to move
to a 32-bit, more windows like environment.
0doubt
From: Tom Almy <tom.almy@tek.com>
Subject: Re: New to takecommand..
Reply-To: tom.almy@tek.com
0doubt wrote:
> As such, it is in my best intrest to get used to 32-bit or higher apps that
> have the same functionality, or close. 32-bit is of COURSE faster, and
> TakeCommand is REALLY nice on speed compared to 4dos. Doing a dir /p in TC
> is WONDERFUL, in 4dos, ahh, sokay.
I'm not a Win95 user, so hadn't realized this. I do know that TC32 is no
faster than 4NT and TCOS2 is no faster than 4OS2. Perhaps you should
change to WinNT and run 4NT?
Tom Almy -- tom.almy@tek.com
From: rxconn@aol.com (RxConn)
Subject: Re: New to takecommand..
>I'm not a Win95 user, so hadn't realized this. I do know that
> TC32 is no faster than 4NT and TCOS2 is no faster than 4OS2.
True for NT, but not for Win95. The Win95 console support is rather poor
(particularly for Win32 console apps like 4NT), so TC32 is considerably faster.
In NT, there's not much difference, though TC32 will still usually run a *bit*
faster for most things.
- Rex
From: rxconn@aol.com (RxConn)
Subject: Re: Win95 and 4NT
>I have noticed that 4NT works with Windows95. Which one
> I should use, 4DOS v6.01A or 4NT? I have installed 4DOS
> as my primary shell.
Whichever you want - 4NT does work with Win95, though the speed is poor due to
the extremely klunky console mode support in Win95. On the other hand, 4NT has
a few features that 4DOS lacks, and doesn't have any memory limitations. If
you have a fast enough system so the speed isn't an issue, you might as well go
with 4NT (and you'll be ready for the conversion to NT).
- Rex
From: sylvainp@mypc.com
Subject: Re: NEED OF HELP WITH DOS PROBLEM
On Sun, 26 Apr 1998 21:59:41 -0400, "Mike Taluto" <mike1995@msn.com>
wrote:
>I just added a new hard drive to my computer.. I went on to add new programs
>and keep getting an error with installation.
>
>The error is C\Dos\~inso 432.mp is a corrupt file...
>
>Please email the answer if you could help
>Mike1995@MSN.Com
>
1- What are you trying to install ?
2- In what way is your problem related to 4DOS (i.e. did the install
work under command.com ?)
3- It's rude to ask for a reply via email in a newsgroup.
Sylvain Poirier
From: "0doubt" <0doubt@fdt.net>
Subject: Re: New to takecommand..
>I'm not a Win95 user, so hadn't realized this. I do know that TC32 is no
>faster than 4NT and TCOS2 is no faster than 4OS2. Perhaps you should
>change to WinNT and run 4NT?
I would also like to get more funcionality from TC32. That is my goal. Not
to give up. I cannot change to NT as I do EXTENSIVE gaming. Later I will,
but for now, on this system, I cant. So, enough of the "Avoid the problem,
run while you can", and lets see if anyone can FIX the problems, or at least
offer me workarounds.. :)
But, as to TC, I really do dislike apps that take a dos-mode approach to the
screen (as 4dos does). I am learning more and more to move to a windowed
interface, as it allows me access to so much more info at once, and ease of
cut and paste, etc.
As I said previously, I was an avid dos user, but with the increased
stability, and multi-tasking ability of 95, I have learned to take advantage
of it. Thus, I want to do the same with all of my apps. From my terminal
program (from Telemate to NetTerm), to my BBS program (RG to WildCat!), I
have steadily made the transition. About the only things left are Pkunzip
(Yeah, I use winzip, but pkunzip is just SOO easy), and 4dos.
So, enough with counter-advice, someone offer some COSTRUCTIVE advice on the
path I have chosen.
0doubt
From: trawson@jpsoft.com (Tom Rawson)
Subject: Re: Win95 and 4NT
Reply-To: trawson@jpsoft.com
akim@nettilinja.fi (Mika Leppanen) wrote:
>I have noticed that 4NT works with Windows95. Which one I should use,
>4DOS v6.01A or 4NT? I have installed 4DOS as my primary shell.
WHat Rex said -- but also remember 4NT is not officially supported in Win95.
Tom Rawson trawson@jpsoft.com
From: rags@triples.math.mcgill.ca (Robert A.G. Seely)
Subject: Re: New to takecommand..
In article <6hvqal$tdg@obi-wan.fdt.net>, 0doubt <0doubt@fdt.net> wrote:
>
>1. If I have the window set for approx. 1/3rd of the screen, it does a DIR
>SOOOOO fast, but if I go full screen, BOOM, it takes months. Is this my
>video card, or is there a setting I can use to make it scroll faster.
OK - I tried this (with TC32 - you don't specify which TC you are
using) and had no difference in a DIR, with "fullscreen" or window.
(Again, by "fullscreen" I assume you mean after clicking on that
little square in the upper right corner of the window...) So this
must be specific to your setup.
>2. Anytime I do a type file.ans of an ansimation (an ansi with positioning
>commands, like save, and restore), it screws it up massively, whereas 4dos
>doesnt.
Don't use ansi anymore - so cannot help with the other 2 questions -
but a tip - I have put most of the info I used to have in my dos
prompt in the title bar, leaving me with only a > as the "on screen"
prompt. Saves space and is a lot cleaner. This is easy to do with
the JPSoft products (well - at least 4NT and TC32 - I haven't checked
with the others) - see the help files.
And last - TC(32 or even 16) doesn't really handle DOS or console
programs well - caveman is a start, and you should read about
configuring it properly in the on-line help, but if you use those
sorts of programs a lot, keep 4DOS (or 4NT) handy - it is a lot
cleaner for that sort of usage. (Actually I use 4NT a LOT more than
TC32 - the only thing that is noticably better with TC - apart from
really fast DIR listings! - is cut&paste, and that is promarily
because I disabled NT's fast cut&paste (so I have to use the control
menu) as it interferred with some editor macros I use a lot). But
YMMV)
= rags =
From: Tom Almy <tom.almy@tek.com>
Subject: Re: New to takecommand..
Reply-To: tom.almy@tek.com
0doubt wrote:
> But, as to TC, I really do dislike apps that take a dos-mode approach to the
> screen (as 4dos does). I am learning more and more to move to a windowed
> interface, as it allows me access to so much more info at once, and ease of
> cut and paste, etc.
That's fine, but you should keep in mind that ANSI character control
sequences were designed for consoles and not GUIs. Perhaps you are
asking too much of TC. It emulates a console, but keep in mind that an
emulation isn't going to be as good as the real thing.
> So, enough with counter-advice, someone offer some COSTRUCTIVE advice on the
> path I have chosen.
OK-- I'll tell you what I've done to make both TC and 4NT better
oriented toward GUI use.
1. As someone else has suggested, I write status information to the
title bar and not to the prompt. It's a lot cleaner, and you can
get by with a much simpler prompt. A simple example:
prompt `%@exec[title %_cwd]$h$g`
Along the same lines, I've developed a half dozen color schemes. Every
time I open a new window, it comes up in the next scheme. This way I can
quickly differentiate multiple windows.
2. I set up to share command histories among all windows.
3. Make use of executable extensions (via the set command). I rely
on this rather than Window's associations which don't always seem
to work the way I want.
4. Set up some aliases for easy launching of new windows. If you want
to view an ansi animation, do it this way:
alias animate start 4dos /c typeme
and put typeme.btm in the path:
type %$
pause
That way you run the ansi animation in a DOS window where it works
better. You can do this for any DOS or console program that doesn't
run well in TC.
Since windows programs typically aren't in the PATH, set up
aliases for each program. If you normally have "Wait for completion"
enabled in the Options 2 configuration page, you may want these to
launch with the start command.
I'd also recommend hunting for a better font than courier or fixedsys.
I settled on Lucinda Console which I got with a font package Microsoft
released at the time of Windows 3.1.
Tom Almy -- tom.almy@tek.com
From: akim@nettilinja.fi (Mika Leppanen)
Subject: Re: New to takecommand..
<6i2j3j$ilc@obi-wan.fdt.net>
"0doubt" <0doubt@fdt.net> wrote:
:As such, it is in my best intrest to get used to 32-bit or higher apps that
:have the same functionality, or close. 32-bit is of COURSE faster, and
:TakeCommand is REALLY nice on speed compared to 4dos. Doing a dir /p in TC
:is WONDERFUL, in 4dos, ahh, sokay. Each has their strengths. 4dos will NEVER
:be removed completely from my harddrive, but I would very much like to move
:to a 32-bit, more windows like environment.
But why cant 4dos.com simply be a 32-bit program? :)
From: akim@nettilinja.fi (Mika Leppanen)
Subject: Re: New to takecommand..
rxconn@aol.com (RxConn) wrote:
:>I'm not a Win95 user, so hadn't realized this. I do know that
:> TC32 is no faster than 4NT and TCOS2 is no faster than 4OS2.
:
:True for NT, but not for Win95. The Win95 console support is rather poor
This message has not anything to do with 4dos, but I have to ask why you
americanos use two spaces after dot?
From: akim@nettilinja.fi (Mika Leppanen)
Subject: Re: Win95 and 4NT
rxconn@aol.com (RxConn) wrote:
:>I have noticed that 4NT works with Windows95. Which one
:> I should use, 4DOS v6.01A or 4NT? I have installed 4DOS
:> as my primary shell.
:
:Whichever you want - 4NT does work with Win95, though the speed is poor due to
:the extremely klunky console mode support in Win95. On the other hand, 4NT has
:a few features that 4DOS lacks, and doesn't have any memory limitations. If
:you have a fast enough system so the speed isn't an issue, you might as well go
:with 4NT (and you'll be ready for the conversion to NT).
I could be using NT but it costs too much.
From: "AJ" <akinke@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: New to takecommand..
2 spaces after dot?? WTH are you talking about. If you are refering to
the two spaces after the period ending a sentance, then yes, that is how it
is done in America.
Al
From: "Lopez Gil" <lopezgil@alc.es>
Subject: restore.exe msd dos 5.0
I want archive restore.exe the msd dos 5.0
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versiones de msd dos 5.0
mail lopezgil@alc.es
Subject: Re: New to takecommand..
<6i2j3j$ilc@obi-wan.fdt.net> <3+gR1IeB3oGG092yn@nettilinja.fi>
Mika Leppanen wrote:
> ...
> But why cant 4dos.com simply be a 32-bit program? :)
We'll work on it as soon as there's a 32-bit version of DOS! :-)
Note that there _are_ 32-bit operating systems for Intel platforms such
as WinNT or OS/2, and we have command processors for those environments.
The confusion only arises if you foolishly assume that Win95/Win98 is an
operating system... :-)
Mike Bessy JP Software, Inc.
Subject: Re: New to takecommand..
It's the "correct" typographical form. Back in the Dark Ages when a
common printing device what the typewriter, using a single space after a
period was considered an error. Nowadays, between email, HTML and other
"sloppy" media, that rule is clearly disappearing. Note that this is not
overly "american" but for once the "Americans" (I don't quite qualify -
long story) are doing it correctly... :-)
Mika Leppanen wrote:
> This message has not anything to do with 4dos, but I have to ask why you
> americanos use two spaces after dot?
Mike Bessy JP Software, Inc.
From: "0doubt" <0doubt@fdt.net>
Subject: Re: New to takecommand..
>>1. If I have the window set for approx. 1/3rd of the screen, it does a DIR
>>SOOOOO fast, but if I go full screen, BOOM, it takes months. Is this my
>>video card, or is there a setting I can use to make it scroll faster.
>OK - I tried this with TC32 and had no difference in a DIR, with
"fullscreen" or window.
>So this must be specific to your setup.
Yes, TC32. In full screen mode, with /p, it just "pops" it to the screen,
with 0 delay. Quite nice really. In 4dos, it loads the whole directory, and
you FEEL it load, and THEN it displays the first page. Maybe my system is
slow enough to notice, and you have a behemoth that flies. Dunno. I am on a
6x86-150 w/ 32 megs. I JUST upgraded to it from a 5x86-100. BIG difference.
And on the 5, I REALLY could feel the difference.
>>2. Anytime I do a type file.ans of an ansimation (an ansi with positioning
>>commands, like save, and restore), it screws it up massively, whereas 4dos
>>doesnt.
>
>Don't use ansi anymore - so cannot help with the other 2 questions -
Hhee.. Running a BBS, and still love the "old school" stuff. VERY important
to me.
>And last - TC(32 or even 16) doesn't really handle DOS or console
>programs well - caveman is a start, and you should read about
>configuring it properly in the on-line help, but if you use those
>sorts of programs a lot, keep 4DOS (or 4NT) handy - it is a lot
>cleaner for that sort of usage.
Now, I am about an inch from downloadint 4NT. Just about everyone has said
it is... The bomb.
Is it more 4dos, or more TC? I admit I havent looked into it. Assumed that
since I didnt run NT, it wasnt a worthwhile idea (although I have now heard
that this is an ASSumption.. Indeed 4Nt can be run under 9x).
>(Actually I use 4NT a LOT more than
>TC32 - the only thing that is noticably better with TC - apart from
>really fast DIR listings! - is cut&paste, and that is promarily
>because I disabled NT's fast cut&paste (so I have to use the control
>menu) as it interferred with some editor macros I use a lot). But
>YMMV)
YMMV?
I can't really speak to 4NT, but as to TC vs. 4dos, it just seems faster,
more responsive, and more .. in-line with living in windows. Less screen res
changes the better. But other than that, the truth is I DO like 4dos better.
I have used it for YEARS. As such, I can't after a few DAYS use, say "oh,
its better". I am sure it is.. I just need to use it a little longer.
0doubt
From: jjt@cs.uta.fi (Jyrki Tuomi)
Subject: Re: New to takecommand..
In article <2/gR1IeB34kY092yn@nettilinja.fi>,
Mika Leppanen <akim@nettilinja.fi> wrote:
>rxconn@aol.com (RxConn) wrote:
>:>I'm not a Win95 user, so hadn't realized this. I do know that
>:> TC32 is no faster than 4NT and TCOS2 is no faster than 4OS2.
>:
>:True for NT, but not for Win95. The Win95 console support is rather poor
> ^^
>This message has not anything to do with 4dos, but I have to ask why you
>americanos use two spaces after dot?
Nothing "americano"-specific, here. I don't know what they are teaching at
schools/universities nowadays in Finland, but when I learned typewriting,
the rule was to leave two spaces after period (not "dot" ;-). At the current
golden age of word-processors, people leave the job of providing separation
between sentences to software which often fails miserably.
Jyrki
From: "0doubt" <0doubt@fdt.net>
Subject: Re: New to takecommand..
>Perhaps you are asking too much of TC. It emulates a console, but keep in
mind that an
>emulation isn't going to be as good as the real thing.
No. I realize that. I CONTINUE to ask if the "last line" kludge is internal
to TC, or if it is something *I* am not properly avoiding. If it is a
Kludge, well, hopefully they will fix it, but if not, life goes on.
>1. As someone else has suggested, I write status information to the
>title bar and not to the prompt. It's a lot cleaner, and you can
>get by with a much simpler prompt. A simple example:
> prompt `%@exec[title %_cwd]$h$g`
Ah, well, the difference is users. See, I like to see what is going on on
ALL of my drives at one glance. Thus, I have ALL my drives in my prompt.
Now, once I get the Novell file server up and ready, then I will have to
change this, but that is about 5 months away. :)
Until then, I have up to the K: being used. And it still is quite helpful to
me. I also list the dos+expanded mem (which you cant do in TC), and the
time/date. What about the clock in windows you say? i NEVER look there. I
dont know why.
>Along the same lines, I've developed a half dozen color schemes. Every
>time I open a new window, it comes up in the next scheme. This way I can
>quickly differentiate multiple windows.
EEEEEK. Different COLOR schemes? Hmm.. I couldnt do it. Just COULDNT. Now..
My prompt ALSO includes shell level, which does a FAIRLY good job, but you
have given me the idea to change the color of input or the color of the > in
the prompt.. HMMM...
>2. I set up to share command histories among all windows.
Ditto. Saves SOOO much time.
>3. Make use of executable extensions (via the set command). I rely
> on this rather than Window's associations which don't always seem
> to work the way I want.
Close here. SET? I use the command association feature of 4dos quite
happily.
>4. Set up some aliases for easy launching of new windows. If you want
> to view an ansi animation, do it this way:
> alias animate start 4dos /c typeme
EEK. So, give up 4dos, but have it open it if I want to do the same thing?
kinda silly, isnt it?
> and put typeme.btm in the path:
> type %$
> pause
Although it *IS* a rather good workaround.
> That way you run the ansi animation in a DOS window where it works
> better. You can do this for any DOS or console program that doesn't
> run well in TC.
I still would like to know about whether or not I am configured wrong, or if
it is a kludge. Cause they implemented every OTHER part of ansi just FINE,
as far as I can tell.
> Since windows programs typically aren't in the PATH, set up
> aliases for each program. If you normally have "Wait for completion"
> enabled in the Options 2 configuration page, you may want these to
> launch with the start command.
HEheh.. Already did dat..
>I'd also recommend hunting for a better font than courier or fixedsys.
>I settled on Lucinda Console which I got with a font package Microsoft
>released at the time of Windows 3.1.
Acutally, I am VERY happy with Terminal, at 12 point.Of course, I am about
the only man ALIVE who can stand 1024x768 on a 14" monitor..
0doubt
From: "Mark S. Bassett" <markb@iisc.co.uk>
Subject: Re: New to takecommand..
Two spaces after a full stop (dot? period? what's that?) is a
practice that dates back to typewriters and the use of boring
mono-spaced fonts. When you're using a proportional font one
space is quite enough, and most books, newspapers and magazines
do things this way.
However e-mail and news-groups are one of the last bastions of
mono-spaced courier . Quite right too, imagine how silly all our
smileys and ASCII art would look in a different font!
Mark
From: "James R. Phillips" <James.Phillips@alliedsignal.com>
Subject: Re: Sending files to PRN
RxConn wrote:
>
> > I find that the command
> >COPY /B FILENAME PRN
> >works flawlessly in 4DOS, but not in TC-32.
>
> The PRN device doesn't exist in the Win32 GUI environment. (For that matter,
> neither does STDIN, STDOUT, and STDERR, though TC/32 kludges around that.)
>
> You can print a file from LIST in TC/32.
>
> - Rex
I need some clarification here. The TC32 v2.01 help file claims that
PRN is a valid device to use as a destination for a copy (this
information is under the help for COPY).
So it appears that TC32 TRIES to support this device. Are you saying
that the TC32 support for PRN sometimes is inadequate for large files,
because of the lack of OS-level support for the device?
Jim Phillips
From: Tom Almy <tom.almy@tek.com>
Subject: Re: New to takecommand..
Reply-To: tom.almy@tek.com
0doubt wrote:
> EEEEEK. Different COLOR schemes? Hmm.. I couldnt do it. Just COULDNT.
It's convenient if you need several open TC or 4* sessions running at
once. It makes it easier to pick out the one you want on a crowded
screen.
> >3. Make use of executable extensions (via the set command). I rely
> > on this rather than Window's associations which don't always seem
> > to work the way I want.
>
> Close here. SET? I use the command association feature of 4dos quite
> happily.
I think we are talking about the same thing. I just didn't remember
the official name.
> I still would like to know about whether or not I am configured wrong, or if
> it is a kludge. Cause they implemented every OTHER part of ansi just FINE,
> as far as I can tell.
No offense to the fine folks at JP Software, but it is a kludge. They
did an amazing job of forcing console applications to run in a window.
I'm still dazzled by Caveman, but it's still a kludge, and the rough
edges do pop up occasionally. Want to see one? Compare "*dir | sort |
*list" in both TC and 4*. Do it full-screen for maximum effect. I can't
imagine former 4DOS users moving *completely* to TC for that reason.
Keep the old 4DOS around.
IMHO, Take Command is primarily for people who "grew up" with Windows
and occasionally feel the need for a command line. TC will give them the
comfortable familarity of a Windows app. The 4* products are for us old
folk that "grew up" with ASCII terminals (or, in my case, keypunches!)
and feel that Windows apps are for sissies. :-) Basically, I only fire
up TC if I need the scrollback or wide display capabilities, otherwise
I'm perfectly happy with 4NT/4OS2.
Tom Almy -- tom.almy@tek.com
From: rxconn@aol.com (RxConn)
Subject: Re: Sending files to PRN
<< I need some clarification here. The TC32 v2.01 help file claims that PRN is
a valid device to use as a destination for a copy (this information is under
the help for COPY). >>
The help file is wrong. (It was probably copied over from the 4NT help.) It's
on the suggestion list for the next version, but definitely does not work at
this time.
- Rex
From: Tom Almy <tom.almy@tek.com>
Subject: Re: Sending files to PRN
Reply-To: tom.almy@tek.com
OK, Rex, am I using some future version here? I just tried "copy
autoexec.bat prn" and even "dir >prn" using TC32 v2.01 under NT 4.0
and it worked fine. I don't see why it wouldn't work because the
OS maps the file name PRN to the printer.
RxConn wrote:
>
> << I need some clarification here. The TC32 v2.01 help file claims that PRN is
> a valid device to use as a destination for a copy (this information is under
> the help for COPY). >>
>
> The help file is wrong. (It was probably copied over from the 4NT help.) It's
> on the suggestion list for the next version, but definitely does not work at
> this time.
>
> - Rex
Tom Almy -- tom.almy@tek.com
From: Rick Martin <rick.martin@pixel-group.com>
Subject: Re: New to takecommand..
Mike Bessy wrote:
>
> The confusion only arises if you foolishly assume that Win95/Win98
> is an operating system... :-)
An easy mistake to make, Mike, if one makes the initial mistake of
believing anything which emanates from a Marketing Department ;-)
From: Rick Martin <rick.martin@pixel-group.com>
Subject: Re: New to takecommand..
Mika Leppanen wrote:
>
> This message has not anything to do with 4dos, but I have to ask
> why you americanos use two spaces after dot?
Others have already written about why two spaces are left are a full stop.
What gets me is when some people leave spaces between the final word of a
sentence and the termination exclamation mark(s), like this !! Plays havoc
when the punctuation ends up on a separate line on its own
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;-)
From: "0doubt" <0doubt@fdt.net>
Subject: Re: New to takecommand..
> In NT, there's not much difference, though TC32 will still usually run a
*bit*
>faster for most things.
EHhe.. Every little BIT helps.. :)
0doubt
From: rags@triples.math.mcgill.ca (Robert A.G. Seely)
Subject: Re: Sending files to PRN
At the risk of being accused of posting a "me too" article:
... "me too" (!)
(Fuller unnecessary explanation: I tried doing what Tom suggested, and
it worked fine. I use "prn" all the time, although as I spend most of
my time in 4NT, you wouldn't expect any problem. But it does seem to
work as expected under TC32 also.)
= rags =
>OK, Rex, am I using some future version here? I just tried "copy
>autoexec.bat prn" and even "dir >prn" using TC32 v2.01 under NT 4.0
>and it worked fine. I don't see why it wouldn't work because the
>OS maps the file name PRN to the printer.
>
>RxConn wrote:
>>
>> << I need some clarification here. The TC32 v2.01 help file claims that PRN is
>> a valid device to use as a destination for a copy (this information is under
>> the help for COPY). >>
>>
>> The help file is wrong. (It was probably copied over from the 4NT help.) It's
>> on the suggestion list for the next version, but definitely does not work at
>> this time.
>>
>> - Rex
>Tom Almy -- tom.almy@tek.com
From: "0doubt" <0doubt@fdt.net>
Subject: Re: New to takecommand..
>No offense to the fine folks at JP Software, but it is a kludge. They
>did an amazing job of forcing console applications to run in a window.
>I'm still dazzled by Caveman, but it's still a kludge, and the rough
>edges do pop up occasionally. Want to see one? Compare "*dir | sort |
>*list" in both TC and 4*. Do it full-screen for maximum effect. I can't
>imagine former 4DOS users moving *completely* to TC for that reason.
>Keep the old 4DOS around.
HAhaha.. This is FUNNY. TC opened 3 windows, and didnt sort it right, but it
still displayed it BETTER.
4dos MESSED up the display, but it did sort it.
Hmm...
0doubt
Reply-To: "Tim Cruver" <TACruver@bigfoot.com>
From: "Tim Cruver" <Corwin@caspers.net>
Subject: Re: 4dos affects Win95 shut down screen
Replacements for ANSI.sys will usually do this as well.
Hari Kumar wrote in message <893332380.920520@marvin>...
>In article <6hkvdg$i6l@news-central.tiac.net>,
> trawson@jpsoft.com (Tom Rawson) writes:
>> silk1@ibm.netXXX (Andy) wrote:
>>
>>>One small "problem". When I close Win95, the final shutdown screen is
>>>broken up by vertical lines and the computer beeps once or twice. I
>>>disable 4dos and it doesn't happen.
>>
>> No clue. I've never heard of this before and we have thousands of people
>> running 4DOS with Win95. Most likely it is not 4DOS per se, but the fact
>> that memory layout is slightly different with a different command
processor
>> loaded, or some other similar subtle factor. This is probably triggering
>> some minor video oddity on your system that could probably be corrected
with
>> a configuration change, but I have no idea what to try. Perhaps someone
>> else can suggest something if they have seen this before.
>>
>> Tom Rawson trawson@jpsoft.com
>>
>
>Do you have an autoexec.bat? Do you invoke Win95 through autoexec.bat?
>If so, check the statements you have after win.com is invoked. Their
>must be a command that outputs to the screen.
Reply-To: "Tim Cruver" <TACruver@bigfoot.com>
From: "Tim Cruver" <Corwin@caspers.net>
Subject: Re: batch file informed subdirectory size?
Apologies, I misunderstood the particulars.
The dir /us will provide the totals as required.
Bruce Hawkins wrote in message ...
>On 23 Apr 1998, Robert A.G. Seely wrote:
>
>> Tim Cruver <TACruver@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>> >Try this:
>> >
>> >dir /s /g
>> >
>> No - not at all what was asked for: this gives a listing of all the files
>> in the directories, but the original question just asked for a summary
>> of the amount of disk space used by those files (not the file list
>> too). No doubt one could fudge something using a pipe and a grep from
>
>dir /u gives the total size of the files in the current (sub)directory. If
>you want the total in all subdirectories:
>
>dir /us
>
>Of course you have to parse the result to extract the datum you want. That
>is easier if you supress the headers:
>
>dir /uk or dir /uks
>
>Hope this helps.
>--
>Bruce bhawkins@sophia.smith.edu Northampton (Mass) Friends
From: Tom Almy <tom.almy@tek.com>
Subject: Re: New to takecommand..
Reply-To: tom.almy@tek.com
0doubt wrote:
> >Compare "*dir | sort |
> >*list" in both TC and 4*. Do it full-screen for maximum effect.
> HAhaha.. This is FUNNY. TC opened 3 windows, and didnt sort it right, but it
> still displayed it BETTER.
> 4dos MESSED up the display, but it did sort it.
Strange. I guess YMMV. On my (NT) system TC opens 4 windows and can't
manage to redraw its main window until the list is closed. Remember --
do this with the window full-screen (maximized). And it did sort
correctly. 4NT doesn't mess up the display at all.
And if you don't do the list, "*dir | sort", TC is useless while 4NT is
still functional.
Oh, yes, 4OS2 behaves identically to 4NT, while TCOS2 only opens two
windows and does handle the redraws. OTOH TC32 Caveman is the best
of the bunch.
--
Tom Almy -- tom.almy@tek.com
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