Ultrasound Daily Digest Tue Jul 6 00:07 Volume 4: Issue 35 Today's Topics: Alt.Grow.Up II DIGEST V4 #33 EPAS downloads Gravis Disks *and* Memory Upgrade MIA MIDISoft Recording Session Drum Patches new disks in Belgium? Source Code - GUS? Suspicious Industry Ultrasound Daily Digest V4 #34 Standard Info: - Meta-info about the GUS can be found at the end of the Digest. - Before you ask a question, please READ THE FAQ. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1993 19:37:22 -0300 From: DODSON@ac.dal.ca Subject: Alt.Grow.Up II Message-ID: <01H0704KNCUA00318A@AC.DAL.CA> As a Canadian who has not yet received his new disks, I must say that I AGREE that you other Canadians, who also have received no disks, are being extremely childish about this whole deal. THere is no need for all this whining. Gravis has told us we will receive the disks, and we will. In the meantime, I am sure every one of you has the new "Gravis" software i.e. GM patch set, etc. The only things you are missing are a couple of "composer" programs. I doubt many of you will seriously use these (I will, but I'm not complaining). For those who have developed a keen and sudden interest in midi composition, why not check out WinJammer; not a bad program at all, and it supports patch cacheing. If you're really keen go out and buy a midi keyboard; you'll need one to seriously do midi. For those not interested in composition, what are you complaining about, saying Gravis is doing a crappy job, etc. Gravis, in case you didn't notice, has put a ton of effort into such things as SBOS and more recently AIL. These are things that, frankly, they didn't have to do. They already have our money. We complain about incompatibility in SBOS; they improve it. We talk about a GMOS; they give us AIL. THis is all to earn our good will (and that of prospective customers, of course). Well, in my case they have earned my support. I think those who say Gravis isn't doing a bang-up job should go home, crawl underneath a rock, and re-evaluate their priorities (or re-prioritize their values; either one would do). Humbly, Bruce Dodson dodson@ac.dal.ca "The happy satisfied customer" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Jul 93 00:05:08 From: john.smith@gravis.com Subject: DIGEST V4 #33 Message-ID: <9307050005.A8095wk@gravis.com> I'm trying to catch up on mail after four days of camping, so bare with me. --- Dune 2 - yep it works. Sounds hot too. I may get back into the game --- alt.gravis.complain - LOOK. How the heck are we suppose to track packages that were mailed? Have you ever tried to trace an envelope you mailed? A) TRUE: One thing we will not do again is, mail canadian packages through the states. Instead they will all be trucked up here and mailed from Canada. It seems the canadian packages spent 2+weeks in the US mail system and then x days/weeks in customs. B) I will NOT scan/persue/study EVERY request from everyone to find out where their package is. Yes, I have been kind enough to look people up in the dbase and have even got a third computer hooked up at my desk at work JUST to do this. C) You can read Eric Bell's msg about why we don't post these disks online D) How can the postal system trace bulk mail? E) Send the disks out again? You'll probably get your first pack before your second one. YES, I know you all want your disks, and I would LOVE nothing more than for all of you to have your disks by now. Heaven knows it would save you and me time. ---- Places to get a GUS, etc... - Thanx for the update Dan. I won't get a chance to talk to Brad/Chris/etc.. until Monday. ;-) ---- Quarterdeck - One of the teks (John Spak) has been dealing with them. Glad they got it working. Guess we'll get some free copies of QEMM now (Just kidding we got V7 a few weeks ago) ---- Eric Bell - Thank you. Maybe everyone will believe me now . PS: Yes, the icon thing has been fixed and some special notes about using Power Chords added to the README file. Sorry about the screw up, but no one picked up on it until after it shipped. But isn't that always the way. Even after it was installed at least 100 times ;-) ---- Time to go add some cream to the mosquito bites Take care. John --- ~ QMPro 1.50 05-8925 ~ John "Reading my mail at home, so no tough quest." Smith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jul 93 17:06:50 EST From: David Mitchell Subject: EPAS downloads Message-ID: <9307050707.AA18048@hp.com> It seems as though I'm about the only one who's having serious trouble downloading from epas - most people can download files with few or no troubles, but not me. It's probably due to the time I'm doing it, or phases of the moon, or biorhythms or something. For those of you who asked, the actual problem I'm getting is that the download just hangs any time during the download (generally I receive 1k-50k of a file, then it just falls over). Yes I am using binary mode, and the same procedure works fine to all other ftp servers I access regularly (quite a few). No problem now - I downloaded several large files from archive.orst.edu today without a single problem. Thanks to whoever was involved in setting up this site (I've got the names, but not at my fingertips). Just 2 more questions before I go home to try out 2.06: - Are the AIL drivers anywhere on archive.orst.edu? I couldn't find them... - Are there any PD/shareware games that use the AIL drivers? All the tested ones seem to be "normal" software (what's the term for non-PD/shareware?) Regards Dave Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jul 93 12:00:25 EDT From: harden@acsu.buffalo.edu (Alex Harden) Subject: Gravis Disks *and* Memory Upgrade MIA Message-ID: <9307051600.AA12777@lictor.acsu.buffalo.edu> i received my GUS for christmas and sent in the registration card within a week. in february i took the order form for GUS upgrades that was floating around this mailing list, marked that i wanted the Power Chords/Midisoft software and 3 x the 256K memory upgrade (for the full 1 Meg) and sent Gravis a check for around $45 dollars. during march/april, we were then informed by John Smith that the software i had ordered would be included with the GUS software upgrade disks. i thought, "ok, cool, now maybe i'll hear something about the order i placed" since i would be due a refund if in fact they sent me the software. in the beginning of may, i receive a letter from gravis and my check & order form with the software offer x'ed out and informed of the new amount i must send them to receive the memory upgrade. i do that as soon as possible, and even though the letter states "we're sorry this is late; thank you for your patience" a wait time of 3 months is completely unprofessional when it comes to a fast-paced industry like computer software. i haven't received the Memory Upgrade i (re-)ordered nor have i received the GUS disks. if i was on the original mailing of the disks, they are to go to my old address (the Memory upgrade will also), which i monitor and have filled out a change-of-address card for. this wait has been a total pain in the ass. the delays, regardless of whether they are caused by Gravis or Canada Post, are unacceptable. i'm sure Gravis is confident all people whom they mailed the disks to will get them eventually, or they probably would have gone through the trouble to put up a serial-number recognizing gate for receiving the upgrade software that Steph described. and to whoever said "it has been established that the majority of the people who were mailed the disks have received them," that doesn't make me feel any differently about the fact that i haven't received PROMISED software from Gravis. in fact, it makes me feel bad. i'm not bothering to ftp the software minus the Making music stuff, because i only play 2 games with my GUS, and i wanted it mainly to make music! oh, and to whom it concerns, i changed my address with Gravis via Tech Support two weeks after i moved. another disgruntled user, alex --- alex harden-------------- "if we forget yesterday, we're bound to repeat it university at buffalo---- tomorrow; it's not too late to start today, harden@acsu.buffalo.edu-- better off safe, than sorry." v409epk3@ubvms.bitnet---- - extreme, "stop the world" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1993 22:02:56 -0400 (EDT) From: elminstr@hudlink.hoboken.nj.us (J.J. Pierson) Subject: MIDISoft Recording Session Drum Patches Message-ID: Anybody know if you can change an instrument into one of the drums (Ie. Snare) in MIDISoft? I don't have the option for those patches. They only go up to 127 or something. --- J.J. Pierson Internet EMail: elminstr@hudlink.hoboken.nj.us Prodigy Email: TVFF82B ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jul 93 11:41:26 MEWT From: "BE-PLO - BE507 - TEL.6458" Subject: new disks in Belgium? Message-ID: <0096F0B1C82F0240.20202055@MBLE.PHILIPS.BE> I read all upgrade disks for Europe were shipped, from Holland if I remember well. I wonder if someone in Belgium has received those disks (we were supposed to send registration cards to Logitech Switzerland). I am quite certain that parcels post from Holland to Belgium VERY rarely exceed a week delay, let alone a month or more. How could we check if we are really registered (don't tell me about inter- continental calls to Canada). John Smith, any suggestion? Daniel Schleusner. no sig. no disclaimer. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jul 93 13:18:41 PDT From: uc177@freenet.victoria.bc.ca (James Hargrave) Subject: Source Code - GUS? Message-ID: <9307052018.AA29558@freenet.victoria.bc.ca> Hello there, some people and myself are developing a new game and we are looking for some sound routines (preferably source) ... Ideally the routines would support play back of .MIDs/.MODs on an SB, SB Pro, PC Squeaker, of course the GUS and any other sound devices couldn't hurt :). If you know of any routines which might be helpful please let me know by mailing me at: D1140167@bcit.bc.ca Thanks for your time... - James P.S. I am not writing from D1140167@bcit.bc.ca because something is gimped in the system and I can't send mail out :(. The editor I am using now doesn't seem to want to let me go back and edit the message, so I'll add it in here. We are looking for anything: Shareware, Commercial, PD, etc. so if you've heard of anything please let me know. Sorry about the strange message. -- ========================================================= == D1140167@bcit.bc.ca == James Hargrave == ========================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1993 17:24:31 +1000 (EST) From: Andrew See Subject: Suspicious Industry Message-ID: <199307050724.AA23935@arthur.st.nepean.uws.edu.au> Hearing that Origin and EA will not be supporting the GUS, evenm though they appear to recognise that it is a superior product to most existing soundstandards, makes me wonder about possible "deals" being done in the industry. Creative labs have a lot to lose by Gravis becoming a standard, and Creative Labs *have* got a deal going with Microsoft. Are the games companies being paid NOT to support the GUS? Are CL the culprits? I wonder... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jul 93 18:14:31 EDT From: Phat H Tran Subject: Re: Ultrasound Daily Digest V4 #34 Message-ID: <9307052214.AA08243@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca> > Date: Sun, 04 Jul 93 12:41:49 GMT > From: Mike Parkins > Subject: AIL with UW2 - Making it work better > Message-ID: <741814909snx@kingpin.demon.co.uk> > > I have been experimenting with ULTRAMID.INI to see if it is possible > to stop the delays due to patch loading every time the song changes occur > in Underworld II. Apparently this is not a problem with a 256k GUS, only > with upgraded cards. > Why don't you use the -c option? This will get rid of all the patch caching pauses in the game. > Date: Sun, 4 Jul 93 9:30:21 EDT > From: Matthew Spewak > Subject: Re: Dune 2 AIL no work > Message-ID: <9307041330.AA23222@lambada.oit.unc.edu> > > I have tried this: LH MOUSE (to > load my mouse driver) and LH ultramid -c. But it seems as though it > doesn't load ultramid high, as it takes up the same amount of memory > without the LH statement. Also, what version of AIL do you use, and how > much memory do you have free? > Ultramid needs 64k upper memory to load high (I think) and takes up 56k once resident. Try to load ultramid BEFORE your mouse driver. > Date: Sat, 03 Jul 93 20:15:02 GMT > From: thomasvk@blackhl.hacktic.nl (Thomas van Kuipers) > Subject: EPAS! > Message-ID: > > The right epas adress for me is: archive.epas.utoronto.ca > > I can access and download it in the Netherlands, so i assume it works for > other also. > I can't access Epas via archive.epas.utoronto.ca. I have to use its IP address, which is 128.100.160.36. > Date: Sat, 03 Jul 93 20:01:37 GMT > From: thomasvk@blackhl.hacktic.nl (Thomas van Kuipers) > Subject: FILES on Epas > Message-ID: > > I downloaded through ftp the following files which are having problems: > GUSAIL97.zip GUSAIL10.ZIP DUNE2AIL.zip > GUSAIL97.ZIP and GUSAIL10.ZIP both unzipped fine for me (I haven't downloaded DUNE2AIL.ZIP). Are you using binary mode for the transfer? > Date: Sun, 04 Jul 93 20:23:26 EDT > From: n4zfd!frodo@rylos.n2idf.ampr.org (Jim Blakely) > Subject: Re: Ultrasound Daily Digest V4 #33 > Message-ID: > > I'm really getting tired of seeing the Canadians bellyaching about > not receiving their disks. It's well known that the Canadian post > office is one of the poorest in the world - during their last strike, > whole containerloads of mail were dumped into lakes by Canadian > postal workers. > My disks are more likely held up at the border by Customs than floating in Lake Superior. :) Phat. ------------------------------ End of Ultrasound Daily Digest V4 #35 ************************************* To post to tomorrow's digest: To (un)subscribe or get help: To contact a human (last resort): FTP sites: archive.epas.utoronto.ca pub/pc/ultrasound wuarchive.wustl.edu systems/msdos/ultrasound Hints: - Get the FAQ from the FTP sites or the request server. - Mail to for info about other GUS related mailing lists (UNIX, OS/2, GUS-MIDI, etc.)