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They didnt even give me a reach a round! (or lube)!!

Eddie wrote:They didnt even give me a reach a round! (or lube)!!

Ahh so ya got the cobb job.the pain will ease once you get yer donut on the seat

OK, enough talk about ANALyzing! I'm a retired Prison Guard sooo(too many hilarious yet tragic memories),,,, Lower control arms, TIG welded, boxed, greasable lower arm shafts with poly bushings and new adjusters, black powder coated.

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Lovely!

Yes those look better than my home made jobbies

I also saw a thread that the guy put an oiling groove on the pivot shaft to go with the grease zerk , seems like a bit of over kill but ,also pretty ingenious

I've seen them greaseable pivot shafts and I nearly bought some. I'm certain I've seen poly or graphite bushings that have a spiral groove thru the middle .........was I dreamin that? It's possible

Adrian Worman wrote:I've seen them greaseable pivot shafts and I nearly bought some. I'm certain I've seen poly or graphite bushings that have a spiral groove thru the middle .........was I dreamin that? It's possible

PERHAPS ...you should do that to a set.....and then you would be armed for the track .............(fb)Dave

Started assembly,, Re-Inforced, gusseted, seam welded, K-Member,,,still waiting on my Stage III power steering box, Firm Feel Sector support kit,, 1.250 Hollow sway bar, Moog Ball joints, 1.120 T-Bars, Tubular Upper arms, got my 74 A-Body disc spindles, waiting on my 13" Viper front brake kit,waiting sucks!

Didn't your 72 have discs? Why use 74 Abod ones then?
I'd like some info on your Viper brake kit sometime please Ed

Yes, Ade, the Viper brake kit is from Dr. Diff and is for A-Body big bearing disc spindles. It uses 4-Piston Brembo Calipers from a 2004 Dodge Viper, fixed Calipers, 13" slotted/vented 1.250 thick rotors. He even has a 14" rotor from a SRT Charger but 18" must be used and my Bullits are 17" Ford factory wheels. Scarebird makes a bearing spacer but I wanted the extra strength the Big Bearing knuckle,(spindle), offers.(40% stronger than the small bearing spindles). I & Dave, Wayne, Pat, Drew and you of course,, plan on driving the shit outta this junk pile!! With a 5-speed OD and 617 HP it should be a very quick ride! AR engineering discontinued the Viper brake kits for all models so with my Mustang wheels, I wanted an easy solution. Dr. Diff makes them but needs to run a billet 1/2" spacer for those wheels, no biggie, I have spoken to a few MoPar road racers, and as long as the front hubs are chamfered, and the spacer is a well designed alloy, with strong wheel studs, it wont be a problem so that's the route I am taking. It's too late to turn back now as I have 12" rotors on the rear and brake bias is a tricky thing. You cannot dial in bias with a proportioning valve. That valve only controls the "breakover" point of high pressure,,has nothing to do with low speed/pressure operation. The only way to control the bias which is VERY important is to change it mechanically with smaller rotors, calipers, drums ect. Ive spent considerable time and money on this "dream" brake set-up,(fixed calipers on all 4 wheels), manual master, superior brake modulation with little fade I'm either gonna fook this all up or have a sweet roadrace package.

Ah yeah I remember posting a link to that Scarebird bearing adaptor/collar.
I get a little confused on the spindle sizes, 70-71 drum spindles always get quoted I big brake kits. Does that mean that 72-74 disc spindles are the same? Or are the 72 spindles the same as the early cars? And are drum and disc spindles the same? Sorry to go off topic Ed
I'd love to build a braking system like that

No problem Ade! Yes, all MoPar disc spindles are the same bearing sizes starting in the year 1973 all A,B, E bodies went to a 1.375 bearing for the hubs. The old bearing size was 1.250 and the main reason for the sweeping change to all body styles was a 1 piece uni-cast rotor instead of the trouble prone 2 piece rotor from the 70-72 years and was prone to warping, especially with sustained high-speed usage and the fact that today those rotors are very expensive. Since my 72 has small spindle discs I went to a spindle that was easy to get and the A-Body spindles are more available used than 73-74 Challenger disc spindles. You can even use the taller FJM spindles which are lighter and taller offering even more of a camber curve. As I said they all utilize the 1.375 inner bearing size which is much stronger and with Late B-Body and all FMJ spindles/knuckles they offer more Camber. Yes, there are big brake kits that fit the smaller disc spindle as well as the 70-72 E-Body disc spindles,,but they are more expensive than Dr. Diffs kits which use many factory components except for the hubs and caliper adaptors. The rotors are Mopar and are quite reasonable for Brembo Components. The rotors are 1.250 thick offering a great heat-sink and the larger diameter acts as a longer lever offering decent brake force. Please understand that the factory single piston brakes are more "powerful" than almost all aftermarket brake kits due to the huge piston size. The main advantage is pedal modulation from a fixed Caliper, Floating Calipers always stick and make high speed braking an adventure,, a no no for roadracing!! brake fade, easy service, lighter weight. But more "powerful" NO.

Cheers Ed, that's cleared it all up
I understand the fixed caliper requirement from our sports bikes, I'm gonna check out the DrDiff site and study the products carefully.
I see AREngineering have stopped doing most of their kits, at least from the vendors sites I checked on.
I initially liked the simplicity of ordering one of the Baer/Wilwood/SSBC etc 13" kits from Summit cos of ease of sourcing all the parts and getting them to England in one go......... but they are bloody expensive and I think the Viper caliper is a much more serviceable unit
EBC are a British firm and they make calipers, pads and discs for road racing and are relatively cheap here.

Front 1.250 Hollow Firm Feel Sway bar installed. It fit thru the K with the FF Skid plate welded on just fine.

Nice

Looks very nice ,whats next?

Gonna mount the steering box and install the new sector shaft support kit. I'll post a pic or 3 ,,, supposed to eliminate steering flex.

Eddie wrote:Gonna mount the steering box and install the new sector shaft support kit. I'll post a pic or 3 ,,, supposed to eliminate steering flex.

I have heard those work very well I am interested in that...hurry,hurry

Here ya go Drew! The sector support shaft installed. It mounts to the K-Frame flange with 3/8 fasteners.

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That is a thing of beauty

Liking that.

Thanks Dave, Ade and Drew! Next the adj. strut rods go in, then the engine gets set on the K-Frame dolly awaiting the Trans, bellhousing, clutch. In preparation for the "body drop"!

Got the 2004 Dodge Viper 13" brakes! Radial mount,, fixed caliper, hub centric billet .500 spacers for my Bullitt 17" rims which clear the Brembo 4-piston calipers just fine,, all hardware, street HI-PO Pads, fasteners, bearings&races even includes a seal installation tool. Sweet! Cant wait to get them onto my 74 A-Body big bearing spindles!

Gonna need some good seat belts ,so ya dont go through the windshield when ya stab those 13,s

No doubt Drew! Got the engine on the K-Member with new Schumacher brackets and mounts, next up the LGT SS 700 Trans, Keisler Bell, Twin disc High HP clutch, TTI Headers, pulleys, ect

#2 Had to eliminate a block drain petcock,,wouldn't clear the pass side Motor mount/bracket, just used a standard block NPT plug. Shown is a block heater, for those Cold mornings and E-85!

That should go in the living room as an art piece