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Does anyone know why, on 1970 Challenger R/Ts with the standard Rallye Dash, code A62 is present on the fender tag, but on 1971 Challenger R/Ts, they did not put A62 on the fender tag. I have looked at dozens of 1971 R/Ts, and none of them have A62, yet all the 1970 R/Ts show A62 on the tag. Another Mopar mystery?

Fender tag coding occasionally changed day by day and month by month. Comparing one model years coding to the next is like apples vs. oranges.

For 1971, look for the N85 code to know if the car had the Rallye Cluster, it was the only way to get the tachometer.

I have studied dozens of fender tags on E bodies on ebay and other sites and have yet to find a 1971 R/T with A62 on the fender tag, nor have I found a 1970 R/T without it.

DanaProsky wrote:I have studied dozens of fender tags on E bodies on ebay and other sites and have yet to find a 1971 R/T with A62 on the fender tag, nor have I found a 1970 R/T without it.

Alaskan TA was saying that the A62 code was not present in 71, and was replaced by the N85 code.

Thats what I thought, I just wanted to make sure, Thanks, Barry.

DanaProsky wrote:I have studied dozens of fender tags on E bodies on ebay and other sites and have yet to find a 1971 R/T with A62 on the fender tag, nor have I found a 1970 R/T without it.

I have been looking at buying 70 RT SE Challenger and the fender tag does not have code A62 nor does the car have the Rallye Instrument Cluster. I was under the impression all R/T's had Rallye Instrument Cluster as standard equipment. Can someone shed some light on this

That is the strangest 1970 R/T tag I have ever seen. There are a few codes missing I would expect to see on there. I will have to look at that more closely when I get the chance.

dave-r wrote:That is the strangest 1970 R/T tag I have ever seen. There are a few codes missing I would expect to see on there. I will have to look at that more closely when I get the chance.

I too thought there should be me codes.......would the Y09 Export Order have anything to do with this?

The owner says he as the broadcast sheet so trying to get a copy or a least a look.

It shouldn't make any difference it being an export model unless any of the options were against local regulations.

For example I would expect to see N41 and N42 on there for the dual exhaust and chrome tips. But maybe this car was built with a single exhaust? That would be very strange.

And what is that code just under the left screw? I would expect to see a stripe or stripe delete code there (just before the Y code) which would start with a V.

Aslo no mention on the tag of the 26 inch radiator??

And is it me or do those screws look REALLY big?

I hope Barry sees this and can comment.

dave-r wrote:It shouldn't make any difference it being an export model unless any of the options were against local regulations.

For example I would expect to see N41 and N42 on there for the dual exhaust and chrome tips. But maybe this car was built with a single exhaust? That would be very strange.

And what is that code just under the left screw? I would expect to see a stripe or stripe delete code there (just before the Y code) which would start with a V.

Aslo no mention on the tag of the 26 inch radiator??

Car has single exhaust which I could not believe when I first saw it.

Code under the left screw is D91 however the car has a 8 3/4 rear Is that possible? Being a 440 6pack 4 speed car should this car have torque boxes and if so can someone post a pic so I know what to look for.

The car has B41 front disc brakes and B51 power brakes however booster is gone and drums are now in place of discs. Also is it possible this car would have a manual steering box as that's what's in place now or maybe the owner changed out the power steering like he did with the disc brakes. The owner is an old guy who has been into Mopars all is life owning quite a few cars over the years and tended to play/tinker with his toys.

The car has sat for many years with some body work being performed during this time so maybe the fender tag screws went missing and were being replaced other screws. I was surpised to see the fender tag as in the Philppines the they are normally taken off an never put back on during any paint work. It really makes you cry when you find a car with no fender tag and no broadcast sheet.

I checked the body sequence numbers and will post some pics.

Trunk & Radiator sequence numbers. Are there any other locations I can look for the sequence number.

You found a number on the trunk?

E-body cars were never stamped on the trunk like Chargers for example.
There should only be numbers on the cowl and radiator support.

See http://challenger.mpoli.fi/forum/viewto ... =4119#4119

dave-r wrote:You found a number on the trunk?

E-body cars were never stamped on the trunk like Chargers for example.
There should only be numbers on the cowl and radiator support.

See http://challenger.mpoli.fi/forum/viewto ... =4119#4119

I will go looking for the cowl sequence number as I was not aware of that location.

Just to confirm NO E bodies were ever stamped in the trunk?

Well there appears to be one now. Unless it was marked later in life.

Philippines Challenger wrote:Just to confirm NO E bodies were ever stamped in the trunk?

Non that I have ever seen or heard of. Barry will be the best person to ask about this. Fingers crossed he will be looking in one night this week.

Very interesting....

First of all the fender tag is a fake.

Some cars did have "extra" body stamps but in place once they arrived in the country they were shipped too, it depends on the countries import rules.

Look for a stamp on the cowl for sure.

Take a picture of the VIN tag on the dash too while you are at it?

Barry

Here is the Dash VIN.

Are you 100% sure the fender tag is fake as I find it hard to believe they would go to such an extent as to have a fake tag made based on:

1.) Cost involved, Philippines is a third world country and they will not spend money on anything they don't have too.

2.) Tags have very little importance in the Philippines (except to a select few) and I have seen more Mopars without them then with. They just throw them away during resto's or during any body work.

3.) Why make a fake tag with so few options?

Maybe some of these guys have gotten more sophisticated then I have been giving them credit for and need to change my thinking!

I will go looking for the cowl sequence number and post a pic.

Fake or not the car is very strange either way.

Why fake a car to that extent and not do it correctly?

Or..

How did a tag get made that looks like no other tag ever stamped on a car that should not exist?

One thing that really points to the tag being a fake is that the D91 code should not even be on the tag. And if they did put it on this car for some strange reason why put it out of sequence on the tag like that? Option codes go in alphabetical order...

Never seen a 440+6 without a "26" on the tag for the radiator either.

Have you checked what size radiator is fitted?

Checked for the cowl seqence number and found it matches all other stampings and VIN & build date door sticker.

Radiator has been replaced with p/n 2898047 which is from a 68 B Body

dave-r wrote:Never seen a 440+6 without a "26" on the tag for the radiator either.

I know several 440-6 Challengers without a "26" on the tag, so this is not a must on the tag.

Well that is a step in the right direction.

Ever seen any tags that look like this one though?

You know. I have a nagging feeling that at some point over the years I have read something somewhere about a single exhaust on a R/T......

dave-r wrote:Well that is a step in the right direction.

Ever seen any tags that look like this one though?

No, not really.

the funniest tag I found was this (Cuda) tag:

Well, the body stamps are fake too. So is the VIN tag.

With all the numbers altered, the only reason I can think of that someone would go to the trouble to fake all of it would be to re-number a stolen car.

Are the engine & transmission present? If so, can you take photos of the VINs on both of them as well?

Barry

Wow I’m glad I did not buy this car. The VIN on the engine (M43K3129306) & trans (8B34I328) do not match.

Can I ask why is the fender tag & VIN fake, is it the codes, locations of the codes, the quality of the tags or when you put all pieces together they don’t complete the puzzle? Are there any other VIN locations on the car that I can check?

I just wonder if the re-stamping was done in the US before the car even arrived in the Philippines, as again, no one would go to that amount of trouble to re-stamp and create new tags for a car in the Philippines. The local motor vehicle inspection authority only looks for chassis (VIN) & engine number there not interested hidden VINS.

The owner said he has the broadcast sheet and is going thru all his paper work trying to find it so will post a copy if available. Should be intereting

Well, being fake makes them fake, there is no other real way to say it.

A broadcast sheet scan would be cool, I wonder if the guy who did this had a broadcast sheet, title & nothing else to start with?

Alaskan_TA wrote:Well, being fake makes them fake, there is no other real way to say it.

Yep, I fully understand where your coming from.

Does that engine VIN make sense? I never got to sight the eng and trans VINS as a friend went back to look at the car. He assured me the recorded numbers are per stampings but have no photos.

The engine number looks more like an engine serial number, which is different from the VIN number on the engine.

The transmission of from a 1968 model built at Hamtramck.