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Weird cod
Posted:
08 Feb 2007 12:41by bob
Hello!
Is here anyone ho now what this is for cod!
Tag is placed on right innerfender next to hoodhigle
TYPE : F J S 23 Y
I think
F: 1970
J: Challenger
S: ??
23: 2 door H/T ?
Y ??
Probably sold new in France
Tnx Newbie
Posted:
08 Feb 2007 14:45by 71_DEPUTY
that is a import data tag- since it was imported- uk stanards require it!!!
( I am correct boys? )
Posted:
09 Feb 2007 4:58by Alaskan_TA
S would be R/T I bet.
Do you have a better photo? It is hard to see the detail on this one.
Wecome to the site as well.
Barry
Posted:
09 Feb 2007 7:29by bob
Alaskan_TA wrote:S would be R/T I bet.
Do you have a better photo? It is hard to see the detail on this one.
Wecome to the site as well.
Barry
Tnx Barry!
New photo, hope this is better
ChassieNR (VINNR) JH23N0B
Tnx Newbie
Posted:
09 Feb 2007 7:37by christer
Yes, it looks like a tag from a car assembled in France.
Compare it with the tag on this car.
Posted:
09 Feb 2007 21:13by nomopar
samma på svenska
same "fender tag" = same car
see the difference in the plant code B and 8
Posted:
09 Feb 2007 21:43by JJ
I would say France as well, almost sure. FBernard should now, he has an original French delivery Challenger. Maybe he can help.
I am sure it is NOT: England, Switzerland, Germany.
Posted:
09 Feb 2007 21:45by christer
nomopar wrote:samma på svenska
same "fender tag" = same car
see the difference in the plant code B and 8
Funny coincidence! (I didn´t notice it at first...) First the tag disassembled and then, on the pic´s I posted, the tag assembled on the car. (Identical tags) I assume that Bob from Sweden is the owner of the grey beauty above, right?
Posted:
09 Feb 2007 21:48by JJ
Christer, how old are your pictures of that car ?
Posted:
09 Feb 2007 21:48by christer
JJ wrote:Christer, how old are your pictures of that car ?
They are from 2006.
(You will also find the pic´s here:
http://challenger.mpoli.fi/forum/viewto ... 5596#25596 .)
Posted:
09 Feb 2007 21:51by JJ
Swiss assembled Challengers are very rare, but the French Challengers are even more rare ! Newbee, please send photos of the car in it's current condition. Do you have a Broadcast-Sheet ?
Posted:
09 Feb 2007 21:53by JJ
Thanks Christer.
Posted:
09 Feb 2007 21:53by christer
Repy by Fbernard in another thread:
fbernard wrote:I checked with a member of my club, this French Challenger is part of a 24 car order from Simca - all serial numbers follow each other. That order was cancelled by Simca (too late apparently) and the cars were delivered nonetheless (I know of a few cars in that list). The car may or may not have been sold new in France (could have been redirected to a dealer in another European country). There's no way to tell whether it was sold in France since the order for those cars were cancelled (ottherwise the town and dealer name are available).
Is there any chance to contact the owner, just to see if he knows about the history of his car or the previous owners/Country?
Posted:
09 Feb 2007 21:55by christer
JJ wrote:I would say France as well, almost sure. FBernard should now, he has an original French delivery Challenger. Maybe he can help.
I am sure it is NOT: England, Switzerland, Germany.
It looks as if he already has helped us!
(See the post above)
Posted:
09 Feb 2007 22:05by JJ
Christer, your second photo, the one with the tag Chrysler Corporation Divison Dodge...... look at the sides next and close to the tag, it seems there are a few holes from another tag before. I can't really tell, I should see the car in person. Very very interesting.
If the car was sold in another european country, not France, it would probably have received another tag. Each country has it's own rules about the tags. But it could have been sold in or around Geneva (they speak French, in this part of Switzerland). Belgium could be possible too.
I guess the only way would to find out would be to ask the owner, maybe he knows about the history.
Posted:
09 Feb 2007 22:56by christer
Posted:
10 Feb 2007 9:41by fbernard
Actually, that small plate only gives the maximum weights allowed for the car with and without a trailer in tow. I didn't notice one in my car, but I'll have to check that.
I suppose there should be the two plates on a French-imported car.
I doubt that this car was assembled in France (it would have a short VIN, not a complete one), but it was probably sold new here.
I'll try to check the VIN with the list we already have.
Posted:
10 Feb 2007 10:18by dave-r
JJ wrote:I am sure it is NOT: England, Switzerland, Germany.
No Challengers were ever imported new to England or the UK.
Not sure about Germany.
Posted:
10 Feb 2007 12:18by nomopar
i think it has the short vin, beginning with 8
no dealer imported challengers (1970-74) in the GREAT BRITAIN/UK
is this true
Posted:
10 Feb 2007 14:00by christer
nomopar wrote:no dealer imported challengers (1970-74) in the GREAT BRITAIN/UK
is this true
yup, I am quite sure that it is true (just like Dave has written in the post above)
Posted:
10 Feb 2007 15:06by bob
Hello!
Yes it has short vinnr (on dashboard) 08170392
And the glass is made by STAALGLAS in Amsterdam
I have spoke to all previus owners in sweden and nobody remember any builtsheet or fendertag, and there has not been any bolts in thos hole where the fendertag sopose to be.
It was werry complete when i purchase it, it only missed Exhaustmanifold, fanshroud, jack and wheelcovers, so i have restored it witout add or take of parts.
Sorry for my crapy english!
Tnx Krister! for the kind word about my car
Posted:
10 Feb 2007 15:30by bob
Hello!
Yes it has short vinnr (on dashboard) 08170392
And the glass is made by STAALGLAS in Amsterdam
I have spoke to all previus owners in sweden and nobody remember any builtsheet or fendertag, and there has not been any bolts in thos hole where the fendertag sopose to be.
It was werry complete when i purchase it, it only missed Exhaustmanifold, fanshroud, jack and wheelcovers, so i have restored it witout add or take of parts.
Sorry for my crapy english!
Tnx Krister! for the kind word about my car
Posted:
10 Feb 2007 16:07by christer
bob wrote:Tnx Krister! for the kind word about my car
I think I spoke with you on the Scandinavian Mopar Nat´s 2006. Just a couple of words. Take care of your car. It deserves it. I really like odd and unusual mopars. It really doesn´t has to be a R/T, it only has to be an unusual. Then I am VERY intrested.
Posted:
10 Feb 2007 17:06by Culvers
dave-r wrote:JJ wrote:I am sure it is NOT: England, Switzerland, Germany.
No Challengers were ever imported new to England or the UK.
Not sure about Germany.
No Challengers were ever imported new to Germany.
Posted:
11 Feb 2007 16:08by fbernard
bob wrote:Hello!
Yes it has short vinnr (on dashboard) 08170392
That is a dead giveaway for French assembled cars (assembled in the Simca plant at Poissy, France). Especially if the "B", replaced with a "8", looks like an inverted keyhole.
There were never any broadcast sheets found in those cars. Maybe they were collected during assembly and destroyed, or maybe they were not included in the partially assembled cars coming from the USA.
I'm scheduled to organize a Mopar meeting at the assembly plant this year (probably late september). If you're interested in visiting this plant, the club that runs it has a web site :
http://autosfrancaises.free.fr/CAAPY/web/
Posted:
11 Feb 2007 18:41by nomopar
it just hit me
are there any body codes on these "made in Europe" cars
or did they left the B- or E-plant as "body in white" , race cars
have to ask "byggare" BOB to check his engine room for the codes
Posted:
11 Feb 2007 23:50by bob
JJ wrote:Swiss assembled Challengers are very rare, but the French Challengers are even more rare ! Newbee, please send photos of the car in it's current condition. Do you have a Broadcast-Sheet ?
Engine is orange becuse i think it was a repleasement engine first,had blank pad,so i dident care about the colour, then i found vinnr stamped above the oilpump, it shoud be blue ofcourse
Posted:
11 Feb 2007 23:57by bob
bob wrote:JJ wrote:Swiss assembled Challengers are very rare, but the French Challengers are even more rare ! Newbee, please send photos of the car in it's current condition. Do you have a Broadcast-Sheet ?
Engine is orange becuse i think it was a repleasement engine first,had blank pad,so i dident care about the colour, then i found vinnr stamped above the oilpump, it shoud be blue ofcourse
Posted:
12 Feb 2007 0:00by bob
bob wrote:bob wrote:JJ wrote:Swiss assembled Challengers are very rare, but the French Challengers are even more rare ! Newbee, please send photos of the car in it's current condition. Do you have a Broadcast-Sheet ?
Engine is orange becuse i think it was a repleasement engine first,had blank pad,so i dident care about the colour, then i found vinnr stamped above the oilpump, it shoud be blue ofcourse
Posted:
12 Feb 2007 20:04by nomopar
BOB, did you found any body codes in the engine room
matching nr engine and transmission
pw, nice option