Non Starter • 2 • The Dodge Challenger Message Board

by **RedRaven** » 17 May 2010 14:01

Yes Dave cheers.

AFAIK the cable to the "G" is brown, I must check it.

Dave do you think perhaps the unit of the trans could be faulty?

by **RedRaven** » 17 May 2010 14:03

Also I replaced the metal securing bolt to the inner fender with a black metal bolt, might this be the reason for recent lose of grounding on the monkeyed wire job?

by **dave-r** » 17 May 2010 15:02

RedRaven wrote:Dave do you think perhaps the unit of the trans could be faulty?

Well something isn't working as it should. That is what tests are for. Ruling things out at least. :nod:

5 mins with a test meter should locate the problem.

by **RedRaven** » 17 May 2010 16:00

Thanks Dave.

Where do I need to place the tester and can you recommend one to me, would I get one in halfords? Are they expensive?

by **dave-r** » 17 May 2010 18:13

You can get an automotive one in Halfords that will be great but a touch on the expensive side at £40.
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stor ... yId_165469

CPC are a few quid cheaper for the same meter and they also stock this much cheaper one;
http://cpc.farnell.com/jsp/level5/modul ... 549718.xml

The audible continuity tester will come in handy for tracing this fault.

by **RedRaven** » 17 May 2010 18:19

Does the audio tell you by getting louder or tell you your warm..getting hotter...getting colder..... :lol:

No seriously Dave..I get paid next week so I can pick it up then....just dont tell the wife.. :roll:

by **dave-r** » 17 May 2010 20:51

Just order that last one. It is only £18.
http://cpc.farnell.com/gunson/g4143/aut ... dp/IN05910

by **RedRaven** » 17 May 2010 21:25

kool, I got a bit practice in on the solder.....the liquid metal tastes funny but smells great..made my head spin....I went through loads of it...had a bad head ache after for ages and then got sick haha

by **RedRaven** » 17 May 2010 21:32

RedRaven wrote:kool, I got a bit practice in on the solder.....the liquid metal tastes funny but smells great..made my head spin....I went through loads of it...had a bad head ache after for ages and then got sick haha

Im kidding by the way hahaha...

by **drewcrane** » 17 May 2010 21:49

RedRaven wrote:
RedRaven wrote:kool, I got a bit practice in on the solder.....the liquid metal tastes funny but smells great..made my head spin....I went through loads of it...had a bad head ache after for ages and then got sick haha

Im kidding by the way hahaha...

yea that lead tastes sweet,and chewy :s024:

by **RedRaven** » 17 May 2010 21:58

I dont need to buy any solder....I got enough lead in my ass.....

..........and me pencil......hahaha

by **Jon** » 18 May 2010 1:34

RedRaven wrote:
RedRaven wrote:kool, I got a bit practice in on the solder.....the liquid metal tastes funny but smells great..made my head spin....I went through loads of it...had a bad head ache after for ages and then got sick haha

Im kidding by the way hahaha...

Hope you're kidding, that stuff is badnews. Makes my cat puke sometimes. :wink:

Sounds like an electrician needs to take a look at the problem(s). Monkeyed shit is a major headache and usally ends up looking like poo. Plus it might save a few pounds of solder. :lol:

by **RedRaven** » 18 May 2010 8:27

Jon I got the A team right here :lol:

...I am prohibited from letting any grease monkeys look at my car.

The only guy in the country allowed to look at my car is Mo Malone, but his lives a fair bit away from me and has far to much on his plate at the moment with family and work which I completely understand, hes a top guy pity he dont live closer as I know he'd help me out if he could.

by **dave-r** » 18 May 2010 8:29

RedRaven wrote:The 3 pin neutral start/back up lamp switch - I my have it connected the wrong way around or does it matter.

It does not matter.

The certral pin is for starter replay and is connected from the starter relay "G" to the bulk head connector to the N.S./B.U.L.S.- the cable set up for this is brand new- could it be faulty?

Correct on the central pin. It connects to that connection on the relay with the "monkeyed" connection removed.
I doubt it is faulty. But that is what the continuity setting on the meter is for.

The old cable that is now removed was disconnected for sometime and the car worked without it.

Yes it worked without it because the relay was connected to a permanant ground instead of grounding through the neutral safety switch.

The other 2 pins are back up lamp switches auto and manual.

They short together in the switch when you select reverse and switch on the reverse lamp.

Does the neutral start/B.U.L.S. act as a ground?

I am dyslexic. What do you mean by B.U.L.S.? In my first post I explained how the safety switch provides a ground to the starter relay only when Park and Neutral are selected. This prevents you starting the car in gear.

You need to put your new meter between a good ground and the wire from the G terminal to the trans switch. Then see if you get continuity when you select Park and Neutral. This proves this section works.

by **RedRaven** » 18 May 2010 8:35

Thanks Dave..as soon as I buy that meter I will do that.

Oh and B.U.L.S. = Back Up Lamp Switch.....get with the lingo FFS!! :s024:

I will be chuffed if I can this sorted. :lol:

by **dave-r** » 18 May 2010 9:34

The type of dyslexia I have makes working out acronyms and initialisms very difficult for me. Nor can I write by hand very easily. The letters in a word can come out in completely the wrong order. I see words as complete shapes and not as individual letters.
Doing something like writing a cheque was always a stressful nightmare for me.
When computers came along I found typing made writing much easier and I was able to see if complete words looked "right" and correct them as I went along. My writing speed and spelling in the last 15 years has slowly became really good as a result.

It is a shame computers came along so late in life for me really. I might have been better at school and shit if I had been been at school in the 90s instead of the 60s.

by **RedRaven** » 18 May 2010 11:04

Hey pass me that monkey wrench so I can take my foot out of my mouth....Sorry Dave....I was just joking around. :oops:

by **dave-r** » 18 May 2010 11:34

Hey it's alright mate. Just so you know acronyms are wasted on me so don't expect me to be able to understand them.

Same if someone tries to tell me how to spell their name or something. When they say the letters I am non the wiser. I have to get them to say the letters slowly and I have to imagine each letter in my mind and slowly add each letter to this mental picture until they are all there. Once I have all the letters in order in my mind I can see the whole word and then I know how to spell it.

I was dropped on my head too many times as a kid. :s024:

by **RedRaven** » 18 May 2010 12:00

That explains it then....

by **dave-r** » 18 May 2010 12:09

It explains a lot of things. :lol:

Like the voice in my head that keeps screaming "Kill them all!" :s006:

by **RedRaven** » 18 May 2010 12:38

Thats wierd I have something sililar..only mine says...

burn em lad...burn em all!!! :s003:

by **RedRaven** » 18 May 2010 20:47

Ok great news I have another unit, I took it off the tranny I have for the 72.

I will swap em over on the weekend....I know it will piss tranny fluid when it comes out.

So I have A. New cable set up
B. Different unit to try.

by **dave-r** » 19 May 2010 8:19

You don't need to try a new unit if you just test what you have. It is MUCH easier.

Find the fault first. Then repair/replace. That is how it is done.

by **RedRaven** » 19 May 2010 10:54

Ok Dave I will test it first....at least I have a spare eh

by **dave-r** » 19 May 2010 11:47

If you don't have continuity to ground in P or N test continuity along the length of the wiring to the switch.
If you have continuity there the switch is at fault.

by **RedRaven** » 19 May 2010 11:58

by **dave-r** » 19 May 2010 12:09

My money is on the switch being OK. :wink:

by **RedRaven** » 19 May 2010 12:34

Really Dave?? :shock:

I mean if the cable is new and the starter relay is ok, then surely it must be the switch??

Whats left fuse?
Bulkhead issue?
ME?? HAHAHA

by **dave-r** » 19 May 2010 13:04

Is the wiring new all the way from the switch to the relay?

by **RedRaven** » 19 May 2010 14:29

Yeah its brand new...I found it in the trunk of the car.

New in the bag.