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Posted: **13 Jul 2011 20:32**

Well after this problem has cropped up in the last month or so ,

I changed the fluid ( 12 QUARTS) deep pan and a cooler

:shock:

,a little dirty and the filter was not that bad ,

BUT it just doesn't like reverse and now I have to take it to Mopower Masters,

he has a lift so we can pull the pan and check the valve body,bands etc.

I dont know to much about transmissions,I put in D and it goes,put it in R and it dont go.....so I will see on Saturday wtf is the issue

Posted: **13 Jul 2011 20:57**

Sorry to hear that Drew. Reverse has the highest line pressure. I would check the Low/reverse band, and the servo. I would definitely check the line pressure using the test ports and a good pressure gauge. If the band is found to be toasted it may have to come apart as I dont think it can be installed around the drum without the tranny apart. Does it slip in 1st gear?(If it does it might just need a simple band adjustment). Too bad Transman aint around. he does this for a living and helped me a bunch with my TorqueFlite 727B. Good Luck bro! Have a great time in the Land of the Leprechauns!!!!! :mrgreen:

BTW, I like to use Trans-Go parts whenever possible, you can also find great deals on used Torqueflite parts from www.wittrans.com they are a great source for used and NEW TorqueFlite parts.(NOT REBUILD KITS), "Hard" parts only!!

Posted: **13 Jul 2011 21:03**

You could always try asking Dunc (Cannonball) in the MMA site, he's a transmission boilder specializing in Torqueflites :wink:

My advice? ................drop a 4 speed in :mrgreen:

Posted: **13 Jul 2011 21:04**

Adrian Worman wrote:You could always try asking Dunc (Cannonball) in the MMA site, he's a transmission boilder specializing in Torqueflites
My advice? ................drop a 4 speed in

I like your thinking Adrian!!!!

But I digest,,,Drew's R/T is simply one of the nicest, baddest 440 E-Bodies around. It handles like it's on rails, accelerates hard,,loose and clean and shifted great when I was in it plus Drew is too busy driving around BMW's, Porches, and Carvettes to shift! :mrgreen:

Posted: **13 Jul 2011 21:36**

Errr...I know a little about these myself mate as I have re-built and modified mine about 3-4 times. :wink:

If you are sure you have not messed with the shift linkage the problem is probably low fluid pressure. That is usually down to low fluid level unless there is something up with the valve body or pump.

My money is on the low/reverse band adjustment.

Posted: **13 Jul 2011 22:09**

Yea it shifts fine,just no reverse...so if we cant fix it this weekend it will have to come out,but it feels more like a pressure issue cause it revs up to 2 grand before ever so slowly it backs up like a bad clutch,and i think it is the reverse band...................hey nuttin like doing the R&R ON A TRANNY :s007:

Posted: **13 Jul 2011 23:45**

Sorry Dave, I didnt mean to omit you. I,ve been busy,,Dave helped me build a nice 727 a while back!

But yeah, I would check the obvious 1st, reverse/low band adjustment, it sounds like the linkage is adjusted properly and the lack of debris is a good thing. Lets hope for the best! :thumbsup:

This is stright out of Carl Munroe's book: adjustment should be 2 turns with a 5.0 lever 2 1/4 turns with an unknown lever or one that is 4.2 and 4.25 2 1/2 turns if it's less than a 4.0 lever.

Posted: **14 Jul 2011 1:46**

Eddie wrote:Sorry Dave, I didnt mean to omit you. I,ve been busy,,Dave helped me build a nice 727 a while back! But yeah, I would check the obvious 1st, reverse/low band adjustment, it sounds like the linkage is adjusted properly and the lack of debris is a good thing. Lets hope for the best! This is stright out of Carl Munroe's book: adjustment should be 2 turns with a 5.0 lever 2 1/4 turns with an unknown lever or one that is 4.2 and 4.25 2 1/2 turns if it's less than a 4.0 lever.

I will try to remember to bring my camera to this place , he is one of my Guru's,he built the thing about 12 years ago ,maybe just an adjustment.........maybe time for a rebuild or save up for an O/D :lol:

Posted: **14 Jul 2011 4:59**

Hey Drew! I just lost my reverse, last weekend. :roll:

My fluid is at the opperating mark and clean. Just put a Trans-Go shift kit in it a couple of years ago. I found a Mopar guy up here that will take care of the total rebuild of the tranny plus rebuild of the torque converter, to the current engines stall spec's. $800.00 to $1000.00. Timing sucks though. I spent way more on the rear quarter's than, anticipated. :oops:

It will be ready for the Woodburn Mopar NAT's though, two week's away. I guess that's what credit cards are for. Damn near had the thing paid off. :s005:

Posted: **14 Jul 2011 7:44**

Eddie wrote:Sorry Dave, I didnt mean to omit you.

Sorry Eddie my sarcasm was made towards Ade! :wink:

Adrian if you ever need a 727 re-building let me do it for you mate. It's the least I can do in return for the generosity you have shown me.

Posted: **14 Jul 2011 9:32**

Oh stop it Daveman, I'm startin to blush :oops:

Your friendships enough for me mate :wink:

Posted: **14 Jul 2011 12:07**

patrick wrote:Hey Drew! I just lost my reverse, last weekend. My fluid is at the opperating mark and clean. Just put a Trans-Go shift kit in it a couple of years ago. I found a Mopar guy up here that will take care of the total rebuild of the tranny plus rebuild of the torque converter, to the current engines stall spec's. $800.00 to $1000.00. Timing sucks though. I spent way more on the rear quarter's than, anticipated. It will be ready for the Woodburn Mopar NAT's though, two week's away. I guess that's what credit cards are for. Damn near had the thing paid off.

That is about the going rate for a 727................My Guru will do mine for 500.00............but I gotta pull it :shock:

good luck Pat It will work out and you will be back on the road

Posted: **16 Jul 2011 19:43**

IT IS FIXED..................for now ,adjusted the reverse band and now I have reverse..but there is no more adjustment so sooner or later I will have to use one of my builder trans.and r&r in the future,,
Here is a few pics of Mopower Masters,they have been the only place to have the best work done in Denver on a Mopar for over 40 years

Posted: **17 Jul 2011 11:14**

dave-r wrote:My money is on the low/reverse band adjustment.

Posted: **17 Jul 2011 13:36**

dave-r wrote:
dave-r wrote:My money is on the low/reverse band adjustment.

Yeap,you da man Dave,and now I know a little more

Yea I have dropped it in low a few times and the last time I did it it started to have issues , but hey after alot of abuse on the track shifting manually, this ole 727 is still hanging in there,I still have peeps say "it need a 4 or 5 speed" :lol:

and the dude at the parts store thought ,my car was a new o9 or 10

Posted: **21 Jul 2011 5:37**

I would have done that too Drew but, mine was at full adjustment already. Luck of the draw, I guess. :roll:

Posted: **21 Jul 2011 14:51**

patrick wrote:I would have done that too Drew but, mine was at full adjustment already. Luck of the draw, I guess.

Well then is rebuild time :evil:

Posted: **21 Jul 2011 15:11**

Take it apart.
Lay out each sub unit as it comes out. Clean up each sub unit in turn and replaces the seals and clutch materials.
Re assemble each sub unit in turn.
Clean the case and check the overrunning clutch.
Reassemble and check thrust clearences as you go.

It sounds complicated but really it isn't. I can drop a trans one weekend and, just doing an hour or so each night, get the trans back in the car the next weekend.
Just follow the manual and maybe also a book on the subject as they have helpful tips.
Don't be scared. It will save you a fortune.

Posted: **21 Jul 2011 16:44**

dave-r wrote:Take it apart.
Lay out each sub unit as it comes out. Clean up each sub unit in turn and replaces the seals and clutch materials.
Re assemble each sub unit in turn.
Clean the case and check the overrunning clutch.
Reassemble and check thrust clearences as you go.

It sounds complicated but really it isn't. I can drop a trans one weekend and, just doing an hour or so each night, get the trans back in the car the next weekend.
Just follow the manual and maybe also a book on the subject as they have helpful tips.
Don't be scared. It will save you a fortune.

Well Dave you have alot of patience and knowledge, I am not to comfortable doing it I have learned alot about them .but am still not comfy doing it my self,and I can get my Guru to do it for 500 bucks and then just put it back in,my luck I would put something in backwards and reverse would be drive :shock:

Posted: **21 Jul 2011 17:04**

Drewcane.
$500.00 is pretty damn cheap to rebuild a TF727. :?:

Is this just for the labor or labor and parts? If it includes the parts, what parts?
Over the years I sold parts to transmission shops, the cheapest guys always put in the least amount of parts they could get away with and still make the unit sort of work. :s001:

ALL transmission overhauls should include: All gaskets and seals, all rotating metal sealing rings, all bushings, all washers, the friction plates, the steel plates, all bands, and the convertor.
I just helped a fellow MOPAR guy get the parts to do his transmission (deal pricing), and the parts bill alone was close to the $500.00 mark.
Some of the cheap guys had their own convertor rebuilding plant (emory paper and a CIL spray can of paint). :s006:

I could never understand (and still can't) why many $$$$ is spent on a vehicle, and owners still look at the cheapest way to fix a transmission.
Just my two bits worth.

Fix it right once.

transman :s002:

Posted: **21 Jul 2011 18:58**

transman wrote:Drewcane.
$500.00 is pretty damn cheap to rebuild a TF727.
Is this just for the labor or labor and parts? If it includes the parts, what parts?
Over the years I sold parts to transmission shops, the cheapest guys always put in the least amount of parts they could get away with and still make the unit sort of work.
ALL transmission overhauls should include: All gaskets and seals, all rotating metal sealing rings, all bushings, all washers, the friction plates, the steel plates, all bands, and the convertor.
I just helped a fellow MOPAR guy get the parts to do his transmission (deal pricing), and the parts bill alone was close to the $500.00 mark.
Some of the cheap guys had their own convertor rebuilding plant (emory paper and a CIL spray can of paint).
I could never understand (and still can't) why many $$$$ is spent on a vehicle, and owners still look at the cheapest way to fix a transmission.
Just my two bits worth.

Fix it right once.

oh I know I have been ripped off before, this trans is about 10 years old and has had alot of track use driving in low sometimes, the last gy that charged me 800 bucks didnt replace anything

the Guy Tony is a good old friend and when ever I bring something in like this trans 10 years ago he dropped what he was doing and took the whole thing apart while I watched and we found out that nothing was replaced, so he replaced everything that could be replaced and the thing worked great for years,

so I hear what you are saying 500 bucks is cheap but he buys alot of stuff from his suppliers and he gets me some smoking deals for sure....so no worries here but thanks for the heads up about this

transman

Posted: **22 Jul 2011 5:33**

$ 1650.00, U.S. My tranny wasn't only screwed, it was F--ked! I had no idea how bad the reverse band was. Tranny guy said the oil was black... I didn't see that. Still a great reference from my friend, Tim. "PUD Auto Mechanic!" I thought I could hang for another year but, NO! :evil:

Now the tranny is good for over 500 plus, horse power. :twisted:

We'll see how that does with, what that 340, will do. I think with all the goodie's, I have at best 350 H.P. We'll see. :roll:

One thing for sure. It's done!!!

I love the damn car and, the wife loves it , too. I think, to keep me away from the other vixen's. :s003:

Who know's how, they think? LOL!!! The car is a chick magnet! I love that part. I love my wife! That's who I want to impress ! :s004:

Posted: **22 Jul 2011 15:01**

patrick wrote:$ 1650.00, U.S. My tranny wasn't only screwed, it was F--ked! I had no idea how bad the reverse band was. Tranny guy said the oil was black... I didn't see that. Still a great reference from my friend, Tim. "PUD Auto Mechanic!" I thought I could hang for another year but, NO! Now the tranny is good for over 500 plus, horse power. We'll see how that does with, what that 340, will do. I think with all the goodie's, I have at best 350 H.P. We'll see. One thing for sure. It's done!!! I love the damn car and, the wife loves it , too. I think, to keep me away from the other vixen's. Who know's how, they think? LOL!!! The car is a chick magnet! I love that part. I love my wife! That's who I want to impress !

Does that price include removal and install?

Posted: **23 Jul 2011 5:00**

Yep R and R. :thumbsup:

This man did a great job and, I'll bee seeing him on the strip, this weekend. He did give me a bunch of freebie's with the tranny. Could easily costed twice the money!

Gaurenteed for life!!!! I'm loving that!

Smooth shifts when driving but, barks like a dog when, I get after it! :s003:

Posted: **26 Jul 2011 17:20**

At $1650.00 this price is not out of line for a quality rebuild for a high performance car.
Sounds like your guy Patrick has his stuff together, and put a lot of the good stuff in it.
transman :s002:

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